MOC's lunch with George Will

[g8trjax]

Originally Posted by CalSFGator

The thing about the modern day drama queens on the right is that they do a lot of their bitching over surf and turf in Hyatt ballrooms. It's adorable.

Everything is fine, you can go back to sleep.

[mocgator]

Originally Posted by fredsanford

A bunch of tripe from a bow tie wearing member of the beltway intelligentsia.

99% pure BS.

I know the truth is hard and insensitive. If you were here I'd give you a hug buddy...

[mocgator]

Originally Posted by CalSFGator

The thing about the modern day drama queens on the right is that they do a lot of their bitching over surf and turf in Hyatt ballrooms. It's adorable.

I agree... the smart productive people are sitting in parks for weeks at a time pooping on police cars and talking on their obama phones....

[vangator1]

Do you honestly believe the left if the only ones to blame for the state of our country?

I don't know how to get the name of the OP in the quote???

But, Yes I do believe the state of this country is mainly do to the left. There of course is corruption on the right, but mostly because they've been taking lessons from the left. The left is evil. That's the best word for it.

[wgbgator]

Well, that's a healthy perspective.

[rivergator]

Will - Romney lost because he wasn't as likeable. Simple as that. The Press was a key factor in Romney losing. Romney can come off as a bit detached and the press accentuated that at every turn. Romney would have made a very good president. The day of the election Romney was convinced he was going to win. George is clueless as to why so many Republicans stayed home on election day. It’s a mystery.

one of the rightwing myths is that Romney lost only because so many Republicans stayed home.

[LittleBlueLW]

Originally Posted by rivergator

one of the rightwing myths is that Romney lost only because so many Republicans stayed home.

Didnt Romney have fewer votes than McCain did in 08?

[viningsgator]

Originally Posted by rivergator

one of the rightwing myths is that Romney lost only because so many Republicans stayed home.

Do you disagree that fewer republicans voted for Romney than McCain?

Thanks Moc for sharing your conversation with GW.

[jimgata]

The left is not the sole reason for the decline of the country,just the vast majority of the reasons for its decline. No society can exist without structure, organization, laws and morality. It will fail as soon as it is believed everyone can do anything they please, regardless of the consequences.
Great post moc!

[rivergator]

Turnout was down on both sides. Actually, down more among Democrats than among Republicans.

[wgbgator]

Originally Posted by viningsgator

Do you disagree that fewer republicans voted for Romney than McCain?

Thanks Moc for sharing your conversation with GW.

Technically true, and turnout was down from 2008 across the board. But there were also fewer registered republicans in 2012. Many of them became registered indepenents, where Romney out performed McCain. So, I think it is mostly a myth that conservatives stayed home in great #s in 2012 and really cost Romney.

[gatorman_07732]

Originally Posted by rivergator

one of the rightwing myths is that Romney lost only because so many Republicans stayed home.

Everything to you is a myth, well of course unless it supports something you want to believe.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art..._116106-2.html

As of this writing, Barack Obama has received a bit more than 60 million votes. Mitt Romney has received 57 million votes. Although the gap between Republicans and Democrats has closed considerably since 2008, Romney is still running about 2.5 million votes behind John McCain; the gap has closed simply because Obama is running about 9 million votes behind his 2008 totals.

Of course, there are an unknown number of ballots outstanding. If we guesstimate the total at 7 million (3 million in California, 1.5 million or so in Oregon and Washington, and another 2.5 million or so spread throughout the country), that would bring the total number of votes cast in 2012 to about 125 million: 5 million votes shy of the number cast four years ago.

[rivergator]

Originally Posted by gatorman_07732

Everything to you is a myth, well of course unless it supports something you want to believe.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art..._116106-2.html

Let's see: I said that while Republican turnout dropped some from 2008 to 2012, Democratic turnout dropped even more. And to disprove that, you posted something that said the Democratic vote dropped more than the Republican?

[gatorman_07732]

Originally Posted by rivergator

Let's see: I said that while Republican turnout dropped some from 2008 to 2012, Democratic turnout dropped even more. And to disprove that, you posted something that said the Democratic vote dropped more than the Republican?

You didn't even read the link. We knew Obama was going to lose white voters be he picked up gains among minorities. It's fact that many white voters sat out the election, most notably Evangelicals, because of their disenfranchisement with the GOP.

[HALLGATOR]

Originally Posted by vangator1

I don't know how to get the name of the OP in the quote???

But, Yes I do believe the state of this country is mainly do to the left. There of course is corruption on the right, but mostly because they've been taking lessons from the left.

That's totally absurd. Either side that thinks the opposite one is mainly to blame for the state of this country is living in denial. The problem with country goes from the top to the bottom and from the bottom to the top. It includes the average citizen and all of the elected representatives along with big business and Wall Street.

[rivergator]

Originally Posted by gatorman_07732

You didn't even read the link. We knew Obama was going to lose white voters be he picked up gains among minorities. It's fact that many white voters sat out the election, most notably Evangelicals, because of their disenfranchisement with the GOP.

Except, and let me try this again, Democratic turnout dropped more than Republican turnout. Do you really not understand that?

[MastaG8r]

Originally Posted by rivergator

Let's see: I said that while Republican turnout dropped some from 2008 to 2012, Democratic turnout dropped even more. And to disprove that, you posted something that said the Democratic vote dropped more than the Republican?

What are you talking about? You're not making any sense. This is what you said:

Originally Posted by rivergator

one of the rightwing myths is that Romney lost only because so many Republicans stayed home.

The feeling leading up to the election was that Republicans were fired up to get rid of Sir Taxalot and turnout for Romney would exceed that of McCain. That is why despite many polls showing a dead heat or even an 0bama edge, Conservatives from Romney on down felt that the perceived enthusiasm gap would result in higher turnout for Romney that would overcome 0bama's slim lead in the polls.

Unfortunately for America it didn't turn out that way. Enthusiasm for 0bama was down - he lost votes from 2008. But there wasn't the expected corresponding increase in enthusiasm on the other side, so he still won.

Fact: If more Republicans had gone out and voted (as hoped & expected) instead of staying home, Romney could've won. That's inarguable. So how is it a "myth" that Romney lost because so many Republicans stayed home?

[MastaG8r]

Originally Posted by HALLGATOR

That's totally absurd. Either side that thinks the opposite one is mainly to blame for the state of this country is living in denial. The problem with country goes from the top to the bottom and from the bottom to the top. It includes the average citizen and all of the elected representatives along with big business and Wall Street.

Question: Do you "correct" posters on the Left who blame all our problems on the other side, or only posters on the Right who do it? In addition to the example quoted here I've seen you do the latter before, but never the former.

[HALLGATOR]

Originally Posted by MastaG8r

Question: Do you "correct" posters on the Left who blame all our problems on the other side, or only posters on the Right who do it? In addition to the example quoted here I've seen you do the latter before, but never the former.

Sure! When Bush was in office I did it regularly.

[mocgator]

I thought some of the most interesting point he made where in the education and how the morality of the family effects their financial class..

"American schools are a colossal disaster.

Problem with schools
-Coleman report studied schools. Quality of the family was key factor not money.
-Parent pupil ratio

There is no economic divide. There is an education divide. 74% of African American children are born to unmarried mothers. The "moral culture" of the “poor” is totally different from that of the middle class and above. The moral culture is what propagates being poor… not rich people and corporations. And the Government cannot write a law to fix culture…try as they may."

We don't have a teacher/ student ratio problem... we have a parent/ student ratio problem.

Why is it so few people want to address this issue?? Is it racist?? Does it deride the democrat's protected class?? We need really need to have a discussion on this... but how can you change the "morality" of the poor? George brought up a great point.