Was Christopher Dorner executed ?

[malligator]

So, you don't want militarized police (as evidenced by so many anti-police threads on Too Hot) unless the guy could make a good witness against the police so many hate? Then you want police that are trained and capable of carrying out surgical strikes like Navy SEALs. Seems a little duplicitous.

[gatorman_07732]

Originally Posted by Lawdog88

Haven't heard from them yet. Perhaps they are still preparing the script, er, report.

While I totally understand the motivation of what happened, it would be refreshing to hear them just come out and say, "Hey, we looked at it and we decided not to risk anymore law enforcement folks to get this guy. We did what we did.", instead of trying to justify it with invented facts.

Like the .50 cal. thing if he really didn't have one (you know, the announced justification to keep the firetrucks away). He might have said he had one earlier in his announcements, and maybe he actually ran from the F&W guys carrying one . . . and maybe not.

I agree that we don't know, however did that sound like fully auto to you in that feed?

[MastaG8r]

I hope some of that $1 million reward money that they won't be paying out is given to the lady who owned the cabin. Her homeowner's insurance won't cover it. Damage caused by governmental authorities is typically excluded.

[Lawdog88]

Originally Posted by gatorman_07732

I agree that we don't know, however did that sound like fully auto to you in that feed?

Yes, some of it was, in brief bursts. Some of the semi-auto was exceptionally loud, as well.

I just wonder why they didn't let him get fully out the back door and clearly in the yard and away from the residence, before opening up.

But then, it was chaos.

[gatorman_07732]

Originally Posted by MastaG8r

I hope some of that $1 million reward money that they won't be paying out is given to the lady who owned the cabin. Her homeowner's insurance won't cover it. Damage caused by governmental authorities is typically excluded.

I would suspect they will pay to rebuild and loss for any personal belongings

[NJG8tor]

Originally Posted by 1329gator

If somehow he survived this ordeal and pleaded...."insanity",everything he accused the LAPD of would become debatable in open court...... no way no how was Dorner getting out that cabin alive...

I doubt that. How would any of that be relevant to an insanity defense? That he coldly and calculatingly plotted to murder people he may have had rational and understandable reasons for hating? That is exactly the opposite of what his defense wants the jury to believe. I dont know what the test for insanity is in California but insanity generally involves the inability to distinguish between right and wrong and/or an irrisistable impulse to commit the crime. How does making him appear sane and even sympathetic help that cause?

Not to mention that everything he had to offer on the circumstances of his termination probably came out in his administrative hearing and if not then then in his manifesto. We can debate the legality or wisdom of the procedures used my law enforcement which led to his demise but the talk about the police assasinating him because they were scared of what he has to say is crap.

[bakaduin]

I am not a conspiracy theorist but to me this stuff is practically out of a movie.

You have the guy surrounded by police and heavily outnumbered. You have plenty of tools at your disposal and you try to burn the guy out? Dorner certainly deserved to die but death by fire is a very cruel way to take someone out.

What really makes me wonder though is how desperate the cops seemed to want to kill him. The shot up civilian trucks they mistook for his in the days leading up to this. It seemed like they never had any intention of taking him alive. He was a whistleblower and they wanted to see he never got the chance to tell his story on the stand.

[DaveFla]

At least it wasn't a drone.

[adamgator96]

Originally Posted by bakaduin

I am not a conspiracy theorist but to me this stuff is practically out of a movie.

You have the guy surrounded by police and heavily outnumbered. You have plenty of tools at your disposal and you try to burn the guy out? Dorner certainly deserved to die but death by fire is a very cruel way to take someone out.

What really makes me wonder though is how desperate the cops seemed to want to kill him. The shot up civilian trucks they mistook for his in the days leading up to this. It seemed like they never had any intention of taking him alive. He was a whistleblower and they wanted to see he never got the chance to tell his story on the stand.

I figured the cops who shot at the wrong vehicles were scared of dying. Dorner was trained to kill, had just killed a LEO in a cowardly ambush at a red light, and he promised to kill as many more as he possibly could.

If they were trying to keep the story from coming out, why didn't they finish the job and kill the two ladies delivering the paper that they mistook for Dorner?

[NJG8tor]

Originally Posted by bakaduin

I am not a conspiracy theorist but to me this stuff is practically out of a movie.

You have the guy surrounded by police and heavily outnumbered. You have plenty of tools at your disposal and you try to burn the guy out? Dorner certainly deserved to die but death by fire is a very cruel way to take someone out.

What really makes me wonder though is how desperate the cops seemed to want to kill him. The shot up civilian trucks they mistook for his in the days leading up toiu this. It seemed like they never had any intention of taking him alive. He was a whistleblower and they wanted to see he never got the chance to tell his story on rthe stand.

(1) he got the chance to tell his story. (2) I doubt he was going to get to tell his story on the stand, as little of it is relavant to a defense of murder. Typically the defense introduces evidence to negate elements of the crime --and not plead a set of facts that even if true concedes guilt. (3) The police did appear to get sloppy and over vigilant at certain points in the pursuit.

[Matthanuf06]

The fact that the police randomly shot US civilians is the most important thing in this whole story. Chris Dorner is a wacko, wackos exist and will always exist. Yet we had a police department, that was either so scared or so motivated to risk it all to kill him, that they unloaded into trucks that had almost no resemblance to Dorner.

Someone else brought this up, but our military shows far more restraint and due process to freaking terrorists than the LAPD did in the Dorner pursuit. The LAPD had a happier trigger than the military at a checkpoint.

Those cops deserve to be in jail for years.

[wargunfan]

Dorner was not killed by the LAPD and, unless you believe in a statewide cop conspiracy, were bystanders to his death. I don't believe that the San Bernardo Sheriffs Department murdered Dorner on orders from the LAPD. Criminals have been announcing that they will not be taken alive and the police have been obliging them at least since Bonnie and Clyde.

[Swampmaster]

dorner was killed to keep him quiet--the corrupt lapd wanted nothing to do with a trial

[DowntownGator]

I'm not condoning the actions of Dorner, who appears to have murdered at least four victims, although a typical LA citizen was more likely to be killed by the LAPD than by Dorner. Aside from the online trolls who actually support all this and don't get why this is such a powerful example of runaway law enforcement tyranny, here's the point: if the LAPD is going to abandon its mission of public safety and function as an armed vigilante justice squad, dishing out death sentences to those it believes are guilty -- without a trial or anything resembling due process -- then they might as well throw away all their badges as just call themselves the LA Gang Squad. Because that's how they've acted. They can even have their own three finger gang signs that they flash at each other before running another taxpayer-funded drive-by.

The entire police force has turned into a paramilitary terrorist organization that recognizes no law, no court system and no restraint. They've become the enemy of the Sheople.

Think about where this is headed, folks: California legislators are working very hard right now to criminalize firearms ownership by private citizens. This is going to mean all the citizens will be disarmed while the raging execution squad known as the LAPD has a monopoly on guns.

What will the LAPD do with all that power over the people? Take a guess. "Burn that motherf#cker down" might give you a clue.

[wgbgator]

Originally Posted by MastaG8r

I hope some of that $1 million reward money that they won't be paying out is given to the lady who owned the cabin. Her homeowner's insurance won't cover it. Damage caused by governmental authorities is typically excluded.

Fire is a covered peril. Usually "War" (including rebellion or insurrection) and "Nuclear" are what's excluded under homeowner's policies, but this didnt involve military personel, or a nuclear explosion.

[Swampmaster]

Originally Posted by MastaG8r

I hope some of that $1 million reward money that they won't be paying out is given to the lady who owned the cabin. Her homeowner's insurance won't cover it. Damage caused by governmental authorities is typically excluded.

the police will find some way to not pay her anything--she's on her own with her insurance company. they'll probably blame her somehow and sue her.

[squigator]

Originally Posted by MichaelJoeWilliamson

I am very ambivalent about these sets of circumstance. The man killed several people, one LEO at the scene. I do not think the LE had any obligation to take the man alive, especially if they had already ordered him to come out unarmed, which I seem to remember, they did. LE had every reason to fear for their safety, as well as the safety of firefighters.

On the other hand, intentionally burning a man to death, which if that report is true that is exactly what they did, is barbaric.

Dorner was the barbaric one. He killed himself. Can you imagine what kind of policeman this psycho would have been.

[GboroGator]

For some of you..In the words of one of your political heros

"What difference does it make?"

Look at it this way..you have a new reason to celebrate Ash Wednesday

[g8trjax]

I haven't kept up with this story, but initial reports were he had hostages in the cabin? If true doesn't seem like a good idea to torch it.

[GatorAvatar]

So the police have the power to kill Americans, and people are bit***** about Obama killing American-born terrorists.