02-14-2013, 02:39 PM
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The Pelphrey effect?
I can't help but think that having John Pelphrey, for a second go around as an assistant, has to be having a positive effect on our team. On the bench, we have an SEC legend and an asst. with 5 years of head coaching experience in the SEC. I bet pelphrey's insight in the film room has helped create the complex defensive scheme that very few have been able to solve this year.
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02-14-2013, 02:52 PM
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Billy and the players in media interviews have made it clear that the defensive success is based partly on the scouting done of the opposing teams' tendencies. I am sure the two new coaches have a lot to do with that.
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02-14-2013, 03:07 PM
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It won't be long before your theory is disputed by one of our long time contributors here....
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02-14-2013, 03:07 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Colin
Billy and the players in media interviews have made it clear that the defensive success is based partly on the scouting done of the opposing teams' tendencies. I am sure the two new coaches have a lot to do with that.
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Exactly. A different assistant scouts each team we play.
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02-14-2013, 03:10 PM
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Which is not to say that I don't agree with your assessment that Pelph is having a positive effect on our team.
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02-14-2013, 03:33 PM
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It's great to have Pelphry back, and he may be instrumental in coaching up our defense (I couldn't tell you. I have no idea.).
But, I've never seen us play defense this well during the Donovan era, including years when Pelphry was here before. I think a lot of it has to do with the very good individually talented defensive players we have this year, combined with their commitment to playing intense and "connected" team defense.
Wherever it comes from, Donovan gets the ultimate credit. He should, since he also gets the ultimate blame for anything that goes wrong. That is as it should be.
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02-14-2013, 03:42 PM
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Could be. Sometimes there isn't really an explanation for patterns though. Even with no staff turnover, some years we are going to be better than others. This is a good year. Next year or the year after might be a mediocre one.
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02-14-2013, 03:51 PM
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Donovan has said as much. He sees tremendos value in a former hc being on staff. . . and the knowledge and cohesion he brings to the program.
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02-14-2013, 04:00 PM
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Before the season started I thought that the way to attack the Gators would be via whomever Rosario was guarding when he was in the game: Dribble past him and wait for a breakdown on rotations.
Well, I was wrong. While he isn't the defender that KB or SW are he has been very energetic on D and has been doing a very good job.
The "secret" to our success on D is that every player out there is putting in the effort and knowing exactly what they should be doing at all times. Our success is not based on having a shot blocking "freak" that can cover up major errors on the perimeter. I am not actually talking about UK this year in particular even though that is a good example before Noel's unfortunate injury. I was thinking more about Noah on the UF championship teams. Joakim erased a lot of mistakes. Sometimes his own.
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02-14-2013, 04:16 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by akaGatorhoops
Donovan has said as much. He sees tremendos value in a former hc being on staff. . . and the knowledge and cohesion he brings to the program.
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Is there a current assistant coach who could be called the "defensive coordinator"?
Or, is it more of a group coaching effort?
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02-14-2013, 04:29 PM
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It's a group effort, they all teach all parts. The biggest responsibility right no is scouting future opponents, which they rotate on a 1-2-3 basis.
I'm not sure on records on Mac and Pel, but I do know Rashon Burno is undefeated
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02-14-2013, 04:37 PM
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Perhaps Burno should scout the most dangerous teams then rather than the simple rotation that appears to be occurring, with the other guys scouting teams like Arkansas.
I am positive that having Pehphry on the staff is helping in many ways, and very likely somewhat regarding defense, but, as Rade noted, some years things work well, other years they don't.
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02-14-2013, 04:40 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by outbackjack
It's a group effort, they all teach all parts. The biggest responsibility right no is scouting future opponents, which they rotate on a 1-2-3 basis.
I'm not sure on records on Mac and Pel, but I do know Rashon Burno is undefeated 
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Burno is the most obvious difference between this year and last year. Unsure his precise impact.
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02-14-2013, 05:20 PM
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Coach Pelphrey has had a great impact on not only our players but the coaching staff. He is an excellent recruiter and scout. Coach was a great get for us. :-)
We don't have a "defensive coordinator."
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02-14-2013, 05:41 PM
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I would assume they will stay with the 1-2-3 unless a loss could be from poor scouting, rather than our play or the play of the opponent.
And I would assume that hasn't been the case.
Anyone can lose if a team comes out shooting like Ark, or if we just have a brain lapse like Arizona.
I doubt either had to do with scouting.
Having the 1-2-3 allows each guy more than a week to prepare for his opponent.
It's a brilliant system....where as many teams just have 1 main scout.
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02-14-2013, 06:34 PM
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everyone talks about our amazing defense. I am just wondering what happened to that D against Arky and KSU? Just off games?
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02-14-2013, 06:46 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by born2beagator
everyone talks about our amazing defense. I am just wondering what happened to that D against Arky and KSU? Just off games?
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Sorry that they haven't been absolutely perfect for every single game.
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02-14-2013, 06:47 PM
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Arkansas had shot the ball like crap all year. The scouting report said to play them for the dribble drive. It wasn't wrong. They just shot out of their minds for that one game.
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02-14-2013, 08:20 PM
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Here's an illustration of the confidence BD has in the Pelph.
Our seats are second tier, above the Gator bench. At one point during the second half against UK, the Gators had a couple of bad plays and Billy called time. He then turned over the timeout to Pelphrey, had himself a drink of water, and quietly listened while Pelphrey animatedly went through what he wanted the guys to do. Then Billy wraps it up and sends them back onto the court.
Very cool to see.
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02-14-2013, 10:03 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GatorPlanet
Here's an illustration of the confidence BD has in the Pelph.
Our seats are second tier, above the Gator bench. At one point during the second half against UK, the Gators had a couple of bad plays and Billy called time. He then turned over the timeout to Pelphrey, had himself a drink of water, and quietly listened while Pelphrey animatedly went through what he wanted the guys to do. Then Billy wraps it up and sends them back onto the court.
Very cool to see.
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I think it was the mizzou game but Jimmy Dykes spotted something similar. He said that there was a timeout huddle run by the players where donovan come in at the end to wrap things up.
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