Dad shoots/kills drunk driver

[T3goalie]

Originally Posted by rivergator

As a parent of 3 myself, I can understand the father's pain.But I can't condone his judge/jury/executioner role. I couldn't let him off. Especially since I understand that we are a nation of laws.

I used to believe we were a nation of laws.I was a true believer, After practicing law for 25 years (not criminal) and trying civil and Tax Court cases, i realize that that is not the case. I am not so naive anymore. Not close. all delusions are gone. You can pick up a paper and figure that our pretty fast. It took me a while however. Sad fact is that the law is a brothel. selective and political enforcement. This is not jaded this is reality. No sense turning a blind eye and getting run over,,,

That aside, In this case i believe it is excusable because of his state of mind.. And he is being charged with murder which in and of itself is a political statement because there is clearly no pre-meditation. To my point, even the prosecution process ignores the law. This is a horrible situation and the lawyers just harlots for a political statement.

You have no idea how you would react unless you faced this circumstance. My guess is that you would not be very ivory tower in your approach. Nobody is. Your would be praying on your hands and knees for your wife her boys and the strength not to do what this man did. Condone his actions? no. Punish his actions? No.

Temporary insanity seems a lot closer than a crime of passion... He lost his mind after severe trauma... He has no place in jail.

[gator10010]

This board never ceases to amaze me. I can't imagine this father's loss and the emotions he was dealing with at the time of the accident. It is a tragic series of events. The father's actions were quite selfish if you ask me.

Also, reading some of the posts on here about how Too Hot posters would behave accordingly is disappointing , while it may feel good to cater to their selfish anger, it is wrong and this father should be charged with murder.

How many of you have ever attended a party, had a couple drinks and drove home? How many of you have attended happy hour after work and then proceeded to get behind the wheel of your car? I'm fairly certain many of you have at some time or another in your life. My question is what makes you any different from this drunk driver in the article? Because you didn't get caught? Because you were lucky and didn't injure anyone on the drive home?

How righteous it must feel to be able to pass such judgments on individuals while completely ignoring your personal past lapses in judgement.

[MichiGator2002]

There is no acceptable excuse for driving the car when you have had even sort of enough alcohol to affect your coordination or judgment. If you are driving have 0-2 drinks, determined by your tolerance only, and if you feeling at all affected, FFS suck it up and either wait around where you are or get a ride and accept that the inconvenience of going back for your car is part of the price of a good time. I don't care what anybody's excuses are. Same as the texting thing. There is just not a good excuse.

[Matthanuf06]

Originally Posted by gator10010

This board never ceases to amaze me. I can't imagine this father's loss and the emotions he was dealing with at the time of the accident. It is a tragic series of events. The father's actions were quite selfish if you ask me.

Also, reading some of the posts on here about how Too Hot posters would behave accordingly is disappointing , while it may feel good to cater to their selfish anger, it is wrong and this father should be charged with murder.

How many of you have ever attended a party, had a couple drinks and drove home? How many of you have attended happy hour after work and then proceeded to get behind the wheel of your car? I'm fairly certain many of you have at some time or another in your life. My question is what makes you any different from this drunk driver in the article? Because you didn't get caught? Because you were lucky and didn't inure anyone on the drive home?

How righteous it must feel to be able to pass such judgments on individuals while completely ignoring your personal past lapses in judgement.

I get what you are saying, but it is totally false that it is "luck" when one legally impaired driver gets in an accident and when another doesn't. I'm not condoning drinking and driving but the driving skills of each drunk driver can be radically different. It's like saying every single teenage driver is terrible and they are lucky when they don't crash. Underlying driving skills is still the most important factor.

[T3goalie]

Originally Posted by gator10010

This board never ceases to amaze me. I can't imagine this father's loss and the emotions he was dealing with at the time of the accident. It is a tragic series of events. The father's actions were quite selfish if you ask me.

Also, reading some of the posts on here about how Too Hot posters would behave accordingly is disappointing , while it may feel good to cater to their selfish anger, it is wrong and this father should be charged with murder.

How many of you have ever attended a party, had a couple drinks and drove home? How many of you have attended happy hour after work and then proceeded to get behind the wheel of your car? I'm fairly certain many of you have at some time or another in your life. My question is what makes you any different from this drunk driver in the article? Because you didn't get caught? Because you were lucky and didn't inure anyone on the drive home?

How righteous it must feel to be able to pass such judgments on individuals while completely ignoring your personal past lapses in judgement.

I have had a family member killed by a drunk driver. That is what makes me different. I was not there. I

Hope you never join the club. If you do, you may understand the rage this poor man went through watching the senseless loss of his children... You have no F-ing clue. If you drive and drink i hope you get caught and rot in a cell. You apparently think this guys right to drive drunk and your right to the same self indulgence is more important to the life of others.The selfish act is that of the drunk not a father who watched his kids get slaughtered by a drunk driver.

[gatormoe1]

How similar would this be to the link below. First, I know this is molesting as opposed to drunk driving/murder, but the end result is the same.

Jerry Sandusky was lucky.

He was sentenced to 30 to 60 years on Tuesday. Not all pedophiles get that far.

Meet karate coach Jeff Doucet.

That's him, walking off a plane and into the Baton Rouge, La., airport on March 16, 1984. There's a sheriff with him. News cameras are rolling. He's accused of repeatedly molesting an 11-year-old boy, Jody Plauche, then kidnapping him to Disneyland. A rape kit proved he sodomized him more there.

Now meet Jody's dad, Gary Plauche.

That's him, waiting by a bank of pay phones. He's got a .38 snub-nosed revolver in his right boot. He's facing the wall, talking on one of the phones to his best friend, Jimmy.

"Here he comes," Gary whispered. "You're about to hear a shot."

Then Gary Plauche reached down for the gun, spun around and fired a hollow-point bullet into Doucet's brain from three feet away. Then he lowered the gun, turned around and hung up the phone. A TV camera caught it all. Doucet would be dead within 24 hours. (Editor's note: The video is powerful and discretion is advised.

http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/8...father-justice

[gator10010]

Originally Posted by T3goalie

I have had a family member killed by a drunk driver. That is what makes me different. I was not there. I

Hope you never join the club. If you do, you may understand the rage this poor man went through watching the senseless loss of his children... You have no F-ing clue. If you drive and drink i hope you get caught and rot in a cell. You apparently think this guys right to drive drunk and your right to the same self indulgence is more important to the life of others.The selfish act is that of the drunk not a father who watched his kids get slaughtered by a drunk driver.

You hope I never join the club huh? Unlike you I actually lived the club, I have witnessed a loved one die at the hands of a drunk driver right in front of my own eyes. I DO HAVE A F- ING CLUE!!! Have you ever seen a vehicle get hit at 80 mph? Have you ever seen a loved one get thrown from a vehicle, fly through the air and slide across asphalt? The guy that hit their vehicle had a bottle of whiskey riding in the front seat with him. You are F-ING lucky you weren't there!!! You are no where near the same club I'm in pal.

How dare you pass judgement on me! Your moral smugness and judgemental hypocrisy is laughable and exactly what I am talking about. My post in no way supports drinking and driving but I also don't condone murdering another human being. I don't drink never have. I have children.

You never know what demons your fellow man may be carrying and you should really stop and think before you spout off pure ignorant bliss no matter how righteous you may feel.

[gator10010]

Originally Posted by Matthanuf06

I get what you are saying, but it is totally false that it is "luck" when one legally impaired driver gets in an accident and when another doesn't. I'm not condoning drinking and driving but the driving skills of each drunk driver can be radically different. It's like saying every single teenage driver is terrible and they are lucky when they don't crash. Underlying driving skills is still the most important factor.

I understand some people can handle their alcohol better than others but accidents happen. Even to those who may not be impaired but over the legal limit.

[MastaG8r]

Originally Posted by gator10010

This board never ceases to amaze me. I can't imagine this father's loss and the emotions he was dealing with at the time of the accident. It is a tragic series of events. The father's actions were quite selfish if you ask me.

Also, reading some of the posts on here about how Too Hot posters would behave accordingly is disappointing , while it may feel good to cater to their selfish anger, it is wrong and this father should be charged with murder.

How many of you have ever attended a party, had a couple drinks and drove home? How many of you have attended happy hour after work and then proceeded to get behind the wheel of your car? I'm fairly certain many of you have at some time or another in your life. My question is what makes you any different from this drunk driver in the article? Because you didn't get caught? Because you were lucky and didn't injure anyone on the drive home?

How righteous it must feel to be able to pass such judgments on individuals while completely ignoring your personal past lapses in judgement.

10010 it is certainly true that anybody who is a so-called "social drinker" has probably gotten behind the wheel on occasions when they should not have. I'm no exception. But it was very, very wrong to do it, and I doubt too many people who have done it would not admit that. I certainly admit it, and if God forbid my drunk ass had killed two innocent children in front of their parents, I would be prepared to accept the consequences of my actions. In fact in the scenario being discussed here it probably would've been a race between the father and me to see who could shoot me in the head first.

I understand what you're saying about the rule of law but your post reads like a defense of the drunk driver. There is no defense. The fact that many of us have done it is no excuse for any of us.

[Tasselhoff]

When one drinks ANY beverage that is known to impair their senses, then they forfiet the right to "it was an accident". More people are killed each year in an "accident" caused by drunk driving than by "assult rifles" (Discounting wars of course). When are we gong to wake up and take responsibilirty for our actions? "Sorry, I was a little drunk" does not bring this man's children.
To see his children die in front of his eyes
To see that it was at the hands of a drunk driver
To Know that the drive made the decision to drive while impaired
To know that the drive had to know he was putting others at risk
Willfully
Yeah, I understand how the father could kill in a fit of rage.

[gator10010]

Originally Posted by MastaG8r

10010 it is certainly true that anybody who is a so-called "social drinker" has probably gotten behind the wheel on occasions when they should not have. I'm no exception. But it was very, very wrong to do it, and I doubt too many people who have done it would not admit that. I certainly admit it, and if God forbid my drunk ass had killed two innocent children in front of their parents, I would be prepared to accept the consequences of my actions. In fact in the scenario being discussed here it probably would've been a race between the father and me to see who could shoot me in the head first.

I understand what you're saying about the rule of law but your post reads like a defense of the drunk driver. There is no defense. The fact that many of us have done it is no excuse for any of us.

Well I apologize if it reads like a defense of a drunk driver and it's not an excuse.

Question, if you had killed two people while driving drunk, and someone marched into their home grabbed a gun and came back and shot and killed you, how would your loved ones feel about that? Would they be willing to say this guy deserves to get off the hook for murder?

To say that this man doesn't deserve to be charged with murder is wrong.

[gator10010]

Originally Posted by Tasselhoff

When one drinks ANY beverage that is known to impair their senses, then they forfiet the right to "it was an accident". More people are killed each year in an "accident" caused by drunk driving than by "assult rifles" (Discounting wars of course). When are we gong to wake up and take responsibilirty for our actions? "Sorry, I was a little drunk" does not bring this man's children.
To see his children die in front of his eyes
To see that it was at the hands of a drunk driver
To Know that the drive made the decision to drive while impaired
To know that the drive had to know he was putting others at risk
Willfully
Yeah, I understand how the father could kill in a fit of rage.

I understand how the father could kill in a fit of rage but my understanding of his actions does not justify his actions.

[MastaG8r]

Originally Posted by gator10010

Well I apologize if it reads like a defense of a drunk driver and it's not an excuse.

Question, if you had killed two people while driving drunk, and someone marched into their home grabbed a gun and came back and shot and killed you, how would your loved ones feel about that? Would they be willing to say this guy deserves to get off the hook for murder?

To say that this man doesn't deserve to be charged with murder is wrong.

Well I don't know how my loved ones would feel about it, but speaking for myself, the last thing that would go through my head before the bullet would be the thought that I was getting what I deserved.

[PSGator66]

I understand his anger and grief but that is a bad move and he would have punished the driver more by life in jail.

[The_Graygator]

Originally Posted by wgbgator

Well, we do know (at least from the information provided) that whatever enraged or state of duress he was in, he went into his house to retrieve a gun rather than charge at the man with his fists or the nearest blunt object. Obviously he was of sound enough mind to retrieve the most effective means of killing rather than just fall on the man and tear him limb from limb.

I get that, but can anyone eher actually put a time limit on emotional shock? Does that mean we can only grieve for the loss of a loved one for a precise amount of time and then stop grieving?

This all apparently happened within a few minutes. This was a man who's judgement was completely overwhelmed by emotional duress. Heck, he could have been in shock when he did what he did.

[WESGATORS]

Originally Posted by gator10010

To say that this man doesn't deserve to be charged with murder is wrong.

Legally, you are probably correct. But if we're discussing the morality of how he should be penalized for his actions, then I disagree with you. I fail to see the rational argument that would suggest that society or any of the involved families would be better off with this man behind bars or slated for execution.

If I had taken the lives of two young children on account of something as stupid as drinking and driving, I'm not sure I'd want to go on living anyway. Dude may have done the guy a favor and given him the easy way out.

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

[MichiGator2002]

I will say it is wrong to charge him with murder, because I don't think that is what happened, depending on the timeline. The article says "moments" and "steps away" from his home. If his immediate reaction was to go get his gun and kill this man amidst the horror/outrage/anger of watching his sons fatally wounded, and he didn't check his email or feed the cat or have to walk 10 minutes each way, this seems to me pretty close to a textbook voluntary manslaughter hypo.

He deserves to go to prison, he killed a man in anger, for revenge. But he doesn't deserve, from what I can see, a murder charge.

[wgbgator]

Originally Posted by The_Graygator

I get that, but can anyone eher actually put a time limit on emotional shock? Does that mean we can only grieve for the loss of a loved one for a precise amount of time and then stop grieving?

This all apparently happened within a few minutes. This was a man who's judgement was completely overwhelmed by emotional duress. Heck, he could have been in shock when he did what he did.

How do you know that? That may be true, but all you and I know is what was in the article. While we may sympathize with that man's pain, you're dangerously close to rationalizing his response with that unsupported statement.

[Spurffelbow833]

Here's what I want to know. Why was the father more concerned about killing the drunk driver than he was about trying to help his critically injured son who was still alive? The time he spent exacting revenge could have been used to try to save the boy's life. He walked away from his dying child to do what he did. Don't feel too sorry for him.

[wgbgator]

Remember in the Book of Job when Job went on a killin' spree after his 10 sons were killed?