Gallup: Americans disagree with almost every Obama policy

[rivergator]

Originally Posted by g8orbill

I have asked myself that question thousands of times

they did it not once but twice-but this is what happens when you choose a so called moderate

I don't think a so-called conservative would have done any better. Certainly not one of the contenders you had.

But now you know how we felt in 2004.

[fredsanford]

Originally Posted by g8orbill

I have asked myself that question thousands of times

they did it not once but twice-but this is what happens when you choose a so called moderate

In retrospect, Reagan was a moderate and the most beloved republican ever.

Fox News and Limbaugh have convinced some of you that this country has a real hankering for extremist right wing policies. Outside of Utah and Oklahoma, they really don't.

[tegator80]

Originally Posted by rivergator

I don't think a so-called conservative would have done any better. Certainly not one of the contenders you had.

But now you know how we felt in 2004.

Well, if Bush had ramrodded a bill through congress that had in its fine print to nationally make illegal all forms of abortion but that the effects of the bill wouldn't kick in until after 2005 and that the Federal monies allocated to Planned Parenthood would instead go to the big oil companies then yeah, I could see the similarities between the two.

But like I posted earlier, this election was mostly about the apathy of our general population. And I can't believe that the liberal slant on the election is still "well at least he isn't Bush." You don't care what the implications are of Obamacare and his emboldened priorities on our future? I believe that is called cutting off your nose to spite your face.

And that doesn't even go towards a bigger backlash, if there is one, where an Obama-like ultra conservative is propped up and throws things even further out of kilter.

[neisgator]

Originally Posted by GatorAvatar

Republican and discussion = don't belong in same sentence

Wow. You have, as they say, alotta gall.

[T3goalie]

Originally Posted by gatorman_07732

Because the republican establishment are a bunch of a*holes

I believe that that is not a Truism, but an absolute Truth (RNC, McConnell and Crier Man included). That said, an argument could be made they are a collective group that is 5 miles up an as*hole!

[VAg8r1]

Originally Posted by g8orbill

I have asked myself that question thousands of times

they did it not once but twice-but this is what happens when you choose a so called moderate

Moderate? The Mitt Romney who ran for the Senate from Massachusetts in 1994 was a liberal. The Mitt Romney who was elected governor of the state in 2002 was a moderate. The Mitt Romney who ran for the presidency in 2012 was the most conservative candidate for the office since Barry Goldwater ran in 1964. To use Romney's own self-description he was a "severe" conservative on virtually every issue. Mitt favored additional tax cuts; a human life amendment and self-deportation as the solution to the problem of illegal immigration.

[JerseyGator01]

The whack job left media said the same about Bush 12 years earlier and that he was the most conservative governor in the country. Media brainwashing in this country has reached an all-time high.

[mdgator05]

Originally Posted by VAg8r1

Moderate? The Mitt Romney who ran for the Senate from Massachusetts in 1994 was a liberal. The Mitt Romney who was elected governor of the state in 2002 was a moderate. The Mitt Romney who ran for the presidency in 2012 was the most conservative candidate for the office since Barry Goldwater ran in 1964. To use Romney's own self-description he was a "severe" conservative on virtually every issue. Mitt favored additional tax cuts; a human life amendment and self-deportation as the solution to the problem of illegal immigration.

They aren't discussing his position on issues (at least his current ones). They are talking about his identification within the group.

And nothing gets your conservative movement card revoked faster than losing a Presidential election or becoming grossly unpopular.

[T3goalie]

Originally Posted by VAg8r1

Moderate? The Mitt Romney who ran for the Senate from Massachusetts in 1994 was a liberal. The Mitt Romney who was elected governor of the state in 2002 was a moderate. The Mitt Romney who ran for the presidency in 2012 was the most conservative candidate for the office since Barry Goldwater ran in 1964. To use Romney's own self-description he was a "severe" conservative on virtually every issue. Mitt favored additional tax cuts; a human life amendment and self-deportation as the solution to the problem of illegal immigration.

The most conservative since Goldwater?

LOFL He was so conservative that many a conservative did not bother to vote and those that did puked on themselves when they pulled the lever for Romney. Mitt Romney never changed. And nobody bought his BS. For the love of mercy, he got 1 million less votes than McCain who is a blithering idiot at the level of Biden! Conservative? Oh MY!! Romney stands for nothing other than saying what he thought would get him elected. Dressing up like a pirate on Halloween does not make one a pirate. And dressing up like a conservative does not make one a conservative.

"You got to stand for something or you are going to fall for anything" John Mellencamp.

[rivergator]

Originally Posted by mdgator05

They aren't discussing his position on issues (at least his current ones). They are talking about his identification within the group.

And nothing gets your conservative movement card revoked faster than losing a Presidential election or becoming grossly unpopular.

ain't that the truth?

[MastaG8r]

Originally Posted by fredsanford

I don't believe that. What I do believe, because I was here to witness it with my own eyes, was an absolute bromantical man-love that conservatives had for Dubya. Policies or not, they were almost uncomfortably head over heels for him.

Then, after his endless f ups and when his political usefulness ran out, suddenly all of those same cons were like, "I never said I liked Bush. He was too liberal!"

Revisionist history at its finest. Europa has always been at war with Oceania.

You are the revisionist historian. I was a poster here during that time, as you know, and it was not like you described at all, as you know.

[fredsanford]

Originally Posted by MastaG8r

You are the revisionist historian. I was a poster here during that time, as you know, and it was not like you described at all, as you know.

I see you've gone through the revisionist con memory wipe.

[fredsanford]

Originally Posted by tegator80

Well, if Bush had ramrodded a bill through congress that had in its fine print to nationally make illegal all forms of abortion but that the effects of the bill wouldn't kick in until after 2005 and that the Federal monies allocated to Planned Parenthood would instead go to the big oil companies then yeah, I could see the similarities between the two.

But like I posted earlier, this election was mostly about the apathy of our general population. And I can't believe that the liberal slant on the election is still "well at least he isn't Bush." You don't care what the implications are of Obamacare and his emboldened priorities on our future? I believe that is called cutting off your nose to spite your face.

And that doesn't even go towards a bigger backlash, if there is one, where an Obama-like ultra conservative is propped up and throws things even further out of kilter.

Bush ramrodded through a 2nd war we didn't want. Far worse than any universal healthcare bill.

[g8orbill]

no shab you are wrong

while it is always lamentable when young people die in a war-obamacare will be the death of this country

[fredsanford]

Originally Posted by g8orbill

no shab you are wrong

while it is always lamentable when young people die in a war-obamacare will be the death of this country

That shows how warped your perspective is.

Medicare didn't kill anything and neither will AHCA.

[MastaG8r]

Originally Posted by fredsanford

I see you've gone through the revisionist con memory wipe.

Nope, I remember it clearly because I was one of the most ardent defenders of Bush on the Iraq conflict and there was not a whole lot of support from my friends on the Right. Some, but nothing like the "bromantical man-love" you're claiming. On the issues of the budget deficit and Bush's spending, Conservative posters like Dave, Moc and others complained about it regularly. I didn't because I'm more partisan than those guys so I leave it to our friends on the Left to do all the complaining about Republicans. They're not shy about it and don't need my help.

[tegator80]

Originally Posted by fredsanford

Bush ramrodded through a 2nd war we didn't want. Far worse than any universal healthcare bill.

Alright use that one as the context. Did he declare war on Iraq but say that the actual fighting will take place in the next election cycle? And then did the American public, who would be aghast at the thought of our overthrowing a dictatorship in the Middle East, decide that he needed to be stopped and show up at the polls to show their disapproval? The answer is an emphatic NO.

But the American public was given a very stark picture of what Obama wants from now on out, the eloquence comes now (including an unprecedented power move) but the costs - and the details - come after the election. So what did the general population do? They were wondering whether the new Android phone was better than the new iphone. And so Obamacare is going to move forward and the masses really could care less.

And for you, you want socialism to be a part of our social fabric? It is coming without a doubt. And the best you can argue is "well he didn't invade Iraq like Bush." REALLY!?! That is the best you can do? Socialism and a permanent underclass is coming and your response is "at least Bush isn't in office?"

Damn, man.

[rivergator]

Originally Posted by MastaG8r

Nope, I remember it clearly because I was one of the most ardent defenders of Bush on the Iraq conflict and there was not a whole lot of support from my friends on the Right.

Not sure I understand. You're claiming that most on the right didn't support the war in Iraq? Or do you figure your friends were the exception?

I can tell you that on Too Hot, as well as everywhere I else I read and heard, the support for the war was just about unanimous from the right.

Otherwise, do you acknowledge now that the war was a terrible mistake?

[wargunfan]

Originally Posted by g8rjd

That's one explaination.

Another, perhaps more reasonable, explanation would be that the vast majority of people hate Congress, but the majority of them love their particular representative.

Reread the last sentence of my post. The average female voter is told how to think by the ladies of The View. The average male voter can recite the statistics of their favorite pro quarterback but can't recite the names of the Supreme Court. That is the political sophistication of the American electorate. And almost half of them can't be bothered to vote.

[g8rjd]

Originally Posted by wargunfan

Reread the last sentence of my post. The average female voter is told how to think by the ladies of The View. The average male voter can recite the statistics of their favorite pro quarterback but can't recite the names of the Supreme Court. That is the political sophistication of the American electorate. And almost half of them can't be bothered to vote.

I read it. And I said what I said for a reason. In the future, you can assume I have read your posts when I quote them and respond to them.