Did any of the conservatives here notice that Rubio contradicted himself?

[Itssaul]

Originally Posted by squigator

You're either joking or a low information voter. If the latter, I'd encourage you to read:

http://www.amazon.com/Lenin-Stalin-H.../dp/140003213X

and

http://www.amazon.com/Forgotten-Man-.../dp/0060936428

If after reading these books you still believe that Rove and Romney are Marxists and Obama is not, then you will know that you're not a low info. voter, you're just plain stupid.

It's a joke that the right is splitting apart with the way right calling both of those liberals...

Obviously exaggerated.

[Gatorrick22]

Originally Posted by Tim85

The government gave him a loan and he paid it off, with interest. He paid taxes, as well as the rest of us, that afforded the government to provide the buildings, ground, libraries, labs, and faculty which educated him. Besides, as I said before and the OP has ignored my post, he acknowledged that he couldn't have done it without the government's help. (Just like they can't do their job without ours.)

The liberals seem to think that the money they get (thought taxes) comes out of thin air.

[fredsanford]

Originally Posted by T3goalie

Gov't should not be involved in student loans.

The federal government running the program makes a lot more sense than banks running it, taking all the profits, and sticking the government with the losses.

Which, btw, is the Romney-style "capitalism" model.

[Gatorrick22]

Originally Posted by fredsanford

The federal government running the program makes a lot more sense than banks running it, taking all the profits, and sticking the government with the losses.

The Government has been "sticking" us with their losses throughout their entire existence. Unfortunately, we have no way to regulate them like they can, and do, regulate business' that loan money.

[neisgator]

Is your whole body sore from this enormous stretch?

Obama = Gigantic Government Guy (GGG)
Rubio = Large Government Guy (LGG)

[Row6]

Originally Posted by Tim85

The government gave him a loan and he paid it off, with interest. He paid taxes, as well as the rest of us, that afforded the government to provide the buildings, ground, libraries, labs, and faculty which educated him. Besides, as I said before and the OP has ignored my post, he acknowledged that he couldn't have done it without the government's help. (Just like they can't do their job without ours.)

Except for the fact that those of of who went to UF, or another of the states best public universities uniquely benefitted from the taxes paid by others, we agree. So why the dualism on the right that usually insists that the government is not of and for the people? Of course it is and should be employed to do those tasks which private entities can't or won't do very well or cheaply.

[DeanMeadGator]

Originally Posted by cocodrilo

He has proved that he's good at planning ahead, such as making sure he's not thirsty before starting a relatively short speech on national TV.

$16 trillion in debt and rising like the tide. A drink of water is of great concern.

[Gatorrick22]

Originally Posted by neisgator

Is your whole body sore from this enormous stretch?

Obama = Gigantic Government Guy (GGG)
Rubio = Large Government Guy (LGG)

Rubio = smaller government Guy. Way, way smaller than Obama.

[MastaG8r]

Originally Posted by Row6

Except for the fact that those of of who went to UF, or another of the states best public universities uniquely benefitted from the taxes paid by others, we agree. So why the dualism on the right that usually insists that the government is not of and for the people? Of course it is and should be employed to do those tasks which private entities can't or won't do very well or cheaply.

et tu, Row6? You're buying into that ridiculous, played out argument that Conservatives who went to public universities are hypocrites for arguing for smaller government? Come on.

Far be it from me to appoint myself spokesperson for my fellow Conservatives but I think it's fair to say there aren't any of us who think there should be no government and no publicly-funded institutions and nobody should pay any taxes at all. It's a matter of budgeting and prioritizing.

[reformedgator]

Originally Posted by gator996

I guess the point of this post flew right over your head....

Conservatives don't believe government can create opportunities...
Conservatives want to cut spending on student loans...

Yet, he's the beneficiary of the very programs he's against?

And let's not get into his immigration status...


Freaking hypocrite and people think he's the best the pubs have?


He won't even be a factor by 2016....

Stranger things have happened. The best the libs had to offer was Gore, Kerry & Obama. Not exactly candidates that instill confidence & yet one of them managed to talk his way into the office.

[T3goalie]

Originally Posted by fredsanford

The federal government running the program makes a lot more sense than banks running it, taking all the profits, and sticking the government with the losses.

Which, btw, is the Romney-style "capitalism" model.

i don't believe Gov't should be bailing out banks either! Never did. Nor am I am Romney-ite if that was what you were implying...

Now, of course, we just have Gov't getting stuck with massive default rates...They are still bailing out banks, and we are paying for other kids educations too... Heads they win tails we lose (pay). Your still missing half of the equation. The difference between Romney and Obama is that Obama doubles down, lends, bails and thinks it is patriotic to stick present and future generations by spreading the loss. Students like businesses need to learn the concept of moral hazard.

[MastaG8r]

Did someone mention low information voters? Speak of the devil...

Originally Posted by gator996

And let's not get into [Rubio's] immigration status...

Originally Posted by gator996

If he did like Mitt romney said his ass would have been going to broward community college since his daddy was a "illegal" bartender & his momma was an "illegal" maid.

Originally Posted by gator996

Maybe Rubio & his family should self-deport and go to the back of the line also, huh?

Originally Posted by gator996

His family came here illegally, in your conservative mind....how can you even have him in your party?

Originally Posted by gator996

Rubio's parents entered the country illegally, he's been involved in financial scandal in Florida, he went into foreclosure in Tallahassee...

...and exactky what has he accomplished as a politican again?

You are wrong. Marco Rubio's parents emigrated from Cuba to the United States legally in 1956 because of the horrible economic conditions under the Batista regime that led to the Cuban Revolution. They intended to return someday but when they went back to visit and saw the even worse conditions under Castro, they decided to stay and eventually became naturalized U.S. citizens.

At no point did Rubio's parents enter or remain in the U.S. illegally. In fact I searched online and couldn't find where any such accusation is being made by even the most rabid Rubio haters on the Left, so it's safe to assume you just made it up. Making things up on Too Hot is poor form and the mark of a low quality poster.

But since you evidently regard it as a point of criticism to be an illegal immigrant or the child of one, do tell us what you think about all these people who Democrats took to the SOTU speech last night.

– First lady Michelle Obama is hosting Alan Aleman, a 20-year-old illegal immigrant from Nevada as one of her guests. Under new administration rules, Aleman’s deportation proceedings have been deferred because he was brought into the country while he was under the age of 16.

– Virginia Democratic Sen. Mark Warner has invited 19-year-old Ambar Pinto, an illegal immigrant who goes to Northern Virginia Community College, as his guest.

– Illinois Democratic Rep. Luis V. Gutierrez is bringing 27-year-old Gabino Sanchez, an illegal immigrant who lives in South Carolina and is fighting deportation, as his guest.

– Texas Democratic Rep. Marc Veasey has invited 32-year-old Julieta Garibay, an illegal immigrant who moved to Austin from Mexico with her family when she was 12, as his guest.

– Florida Democratic Rep. Kathy Castor has invited Jose Godinez-Samperio, who has made news for trying to obtain a law license despite being an illegal immigrant.

When you're done sharing your thoughts on that please tell us what 0bama had "accomplished as a politician" prior to being elected President. Or for that matter, what had he accomplished prior to the 2004 Democratic Convention when he first gave a speech on a national platform like Rubio did last night? Why was he more qualified than Rubio to speak to a national audience on behalf of his party?

[Tim85]

Originally Posted by MastaG8r

Did someone mention low information voters? Speak of the devil...











You are wrong. Marco Rubio's parents emigrated from Cuba to the United States legally in 1956 because of the horrible economic conditions under the Batista regime that led to the Cuban Revolution. They intended to return someday but when they went back to visit and saw the even worse conditions under Castro, they decided to stay and eventually became naturalized U.S. citizens.

At no point did Rubio's parents enter or remain in the U.S. illegally. In fact I searched online and couldn't find where any such accusation is being made by even the most rabid Rubio haters on the Left, so it's safe to assume you just made it up. Making things up on Too Hot is poor form and the mark of a low quality poster.

But since you evidently regard it as a point of criticism to be an illegal immigrant or the child of one, do tell us what you think about all these people who Democrats took to the SOTU speech last night.


When you're done sharing your thoughts on that please tell us what 0bama had "accomplished as a politician" prior to being elected President. Or for that matter, what had he accomplished prior to the 2004 Democratic Convention when he first gave a speech on a national platform like Rubio did last night? Why was he more qualified than Rubio to speak to a national audience on behalf of his party?

That's a huge issue with this message board. People come here and have no interest in trying to discuss, or expand their ideas, or move forward -- they just want to rant and pat each other with similar ideas on the back. How many times will it have to be repeated that Republicans aren't anti-government? As far as I know, most Republicans I'm familiar with are pro-efficient government.

[QGator2414]

Originally Posted by MastaG8r

et tu, Row6? You're buying into that ridiculous, played out argument that Conservatives who went to public universities are hypocrites for arguing for smaller government? Come on.

Far be it from me to appoint myself spokesperson for my fellow Conservatives but I think it's fair to say there aren't any of us who think there should be no government and no publicly-funded institutions and nobody should pay any taxes at all. It's a matter of budgeting and prioritizing.

+1

Now we do have a few libertarians that border on not wanting any funding. But the argument is still ridiculous as it is basically impossible to remove government from your life at this point even if you wanted to...

[GatorAvatar]

Originally Posted by gator996

I guess the point of this post flew right over your head....

Conservatives don't believe government can create opportunities...
Conservatives want to cut spending on student loans...

Yet, he's the beneficiary of the very programs he's against?

And let's not get into his immigration status...

Freaking hypocrite and people think he's the best the pubs have?

He won't even be a factor by 2016....

He's an opportunistic lying hypocrite.

[MastaG8r]

Originally Posted by GatorAvatar

He's an opportunistic lying hypocrite.

No doubt Rubio has availed himself of the opportunities for advancement in life that have presented themselves to him. If that makes him opportunistic, so be it.

He has been a politician for 15 years so I'm sure he's lied at some point. They all do. There are probably no exceptions. Certainly Barack 0bama isn't one. Offhand I'm not aware of anything significant Rubio has lied about though.

Hypocrite? Why is Marco Rubio a hypocrite?

[fredsanford]

Cross the bridge and blow it up behind you--the right wing way.

[jimgata]

Apparently the left recognizes failure and dependency on the government as a badge of success, for they seem to denigrate those who are successful.

[MastaG8r]

Originally Posted by jimgata

Apparently the left recognizes failure and dependency on the government as a badge of success, for they seem to denigrate those who are successful.

Geez Jim are you just now noticing this? Newsflash buddy: The Titanic hit an iceberg and sank, 1,514 lost.

Hey speaking of the Titanic, how come that damn Carnival cruise ship with the power blackout is STILL floating around in the Gulf of Mexico with all the passengers on it? The Titanic sank 100 years ago and the survivors got transferred to another ship the same night! We've gone to the moon since then but can't figure out how to rescue stranded ship passengers anymore? Holy smokes send out the RMS Carpathia, those poor people with no working toilets are giving new meaning to the term poop decks.

[Row6]

Originally Posted by MastaG8r

et tu, Row6? You're buying into that ridiculous, played out argument that Conservatives who went to public universities are hypocrites for arguing for smaller government? Come on.

Far be it from me to appoint myself spokesperson for my fellow Conservatives but I think it's fair to say there aren't any of us who think there should be no government and no publicly-funded institutions and nobody should pay any taxes at all. It's a matter of budgeting and prioritizing.

Arguing for a smaller government, or against it's involvement in specific affairs can be valid and logical. What isn't logical is the more common position on the right nowadays that it is always a the problem and incapable of providing the best solution for certain problems, like providing mass higher education for it's citizens.