Did any of the conservatives here notice that Rubio contradicted himself?

[gator996]

He was busy blasting away that government doesn't create oppportunity and the next minute was discussing how he just finished paying off his student loans?

Doesn't Marco think his education helped create an opportunity for him?

A government subsidized education.

Ridiculous...

[LittleBlueLW]

Originally Posted by gator996

He was busy blasting away that government doesn't create oppportunity and the next minute was discussing how he just finished paying off his student loans?

Doesn't Marco think his education helped create an opportunity for him?

A government subsidized education.

Ridiculous...

He likely meant that opportunity is not created solely by the govt. but if thats your biggest gripe then I guess he did OK by you?

[surfn1080]

Originally Posted by gator996

He was busy blasting away that government doesn't create oppportunity and the next minute was discussing how he just finished paying off his student loans?

Doesn't Marco think his education helped create an opportunity for him?

A government subsidized education.

Ridiculous...

I guess the govt also took his test, stayed up late and studied, and attended all the classes for him to?

The govt also took the burden of all stress and hard work when he took the chance that helped him achieve what he has?

Your right the govt backed student loans that he paid off did all that.....

[gator996]

Originally Posted by LittleBlueLW

He likely meant that opportunity is not created solely by the govt. but if thats your biggest gripe then I guess he did OK by you?

No actually he said government doesn't create opportunities...

[LittleBlueLW]

Originally Posted by gator996

No actually he said government doesn't create opportunities...

Yeah, he'd be wrong in that regard. But I bet if pressed, any reasonable person would realize that govt alone, all by it self doesnt create opportunities.

Look at all the opportunity the govt has given to our young men and women to go get the asses shot up in meaningless wars.

[gator996]

Originally Posted by surfn1080

I guess the govt also took his test, stayed up late and studied, and attended all the classes for him to?

The govt also took the burden of all stress and hard work when he took the chance that helped him achieve what he has?

Your right the govt backed student loans that he paid off did all that.....

I guess the point of this post flew right over your head....

Conservatives don't believe government can create opportunities...
Conservatives want to cut spending on student loans...

Yet, he's the beneficiary of the very programs he's against?

And let's not get into his immigration status...


Freaking hypocrite and people think he's the best the pubs have?


He won't even be a factor by 2016....

[QGator2414]

Wow is this ever an example of just grasping for something to complain about. It is no surprise that liberal would miss the point Rubio was making...

[orangeblueorangeblue]

A stretch to say the least, OP.

[gator996]

Who said this is the only thing that was BS from Rubio last night?


But on point, how can you be against student loans (govt spending) & deny their benefit when you must admit the govt spending created an opportunity for you?


If he did like Mitt romney said his ass would have been going to broward community college since his daddy was a "illegal" bartender & his momma was an "illegal" maid.


Better question, how can you guys stomach him as the heir apparent leader?

[Matthanuf06]

Rand Paul's response was far better

[QGator2414]

Keep on complaining and enjoy watching what the almighty government created with the student loan bubble in the near future...

[CHFG8R]

Originally Posted by orangeblueorangeblue

A stretch to say the least, OP.

Exactly, it's a student LOAN. If paid off in a timely fashion, the government really had no role other than to back the loan (taking the risk away from the banks). Yeah, that's something, but not nearly what you are trying to portrey. If he did it all on grants, then yes, you might have a point. As it is, you have a pinprick at best.


Then again, this is pretty much par for the course from the true believer crowd.

[QGator2414]

Originally Posted by Matthanuf06

Rand Paul's response was far better

[108]

Originally Posted by CHFG8R

Exactly, it's a student LOAN. If paid off in a timely fashion, the government really had no role other than to back the loan (taking the risk away from the banks). Yeah, that's something, but not nearly what you are trying to portrey. If he did it all on grants, then yes, you might have a point. As it is, you have a pinprick at best.


Then again, this is pretty much par for the course from the true believer crowd.

backing the loan is everything, or very few kids would get a loan outside of it

but the Gov does much more than that when it comes to education, from kindergarten to higher education

[MastaG8r]

Originally Posted by gator996

And let's not get into his immigration status...

No let's get into it, what would you like to say about his immigration status?

To respond to your "point," such as it was, there was nothing contradictory in Marco Rubio's speech, either in the following comments about education or anywhere else:

Helping the middle class grow will also require an education system that gives people the skills today's jobs entail and the knowledge that tomorrow's world will require.

We need to incentivize local school districts to offer more advanced placement courses and more vocational and career training. We need to give all parents, especially the parents of children with special needs, the opportunity to send their children to the school of their choice. And because tuition costs have grown so fast, we need to change the way we pay for higher education.

I believe in federal financial aid. I couldn't have gone to college without it. But it's not just about spending more money on these programs; it's also about strengthening and modernizing them.

A 21st century workforce should not be forced to accept 20th century education solutions. Today's students aren't only 18-year-olds. They're returning veterans. They're single parents who decide to get the education they need to earn a decent wage. And they're workers who have lost jobs that are never coming back and need to be retrained.

We need student aid that does not discriminate against programs that non-traditional students rely on - like online courses, or degree programs that give you credit for work experience.

When I finished school, I owed over $100,000 in student loans, a debt I paid off just a few months ago. Today, many graduates face massive student debt. We must give students more information on the costs and benefits of the student loans they're taking out.

[Tim85]

First off 996 and anyone who thinks Rubio contradicted himself might do themselves a favor and actually watch the video again.

I believe in federal financial aid. I couldn't have gone to college without it. But it's not just about spending more money on these programs; it's also about strengthening and modernizing them.

He then goes on to say,

A 21st century workforce should not be forced to accept 20th century education solutions. Today's students aren't only 18 year olds. They're returning veterans. They're single parents who decide to get the education they need to earn a decent wage. And they're workers who have lost jobs that are never coming back and need to be retrained.

We need student aid that does not discriminate against programs that non-traditional students rely on – like online courses, or degree programs that give you credit for work experience.

When I finished school, I owed over 100,000 dollars in student loans, a debt I paid off just a few months ago. Today, many graduates face massive student debt. We must give students more information on the costs and benefits of the student loans they're taking out. All these measures are key to helping the economy grow. But we won't be able to sustain a vibrant middle class unless we solve our debt problem.

You said, "Doesn't Marco think his education helped create an opportunity for him?" Clearly, he does, as he mentioned his speech only seconds before talking about his college loans. What's ridiculous is the premise of this thread.

[gator996]

Originally Posted by CHFG8R

Exactly, it's a student LOAN. If paid off in a timely fashion, the government really had no role other than to back the loan (taking the risk away from the banks). Yeah, that's something, but not nearly what you are trying to portrey. If he did it all on grants, then yes, you might have a point. As it is, you have a pinprick at best.


Then again, this is pretty much par for the course from the true believer crowd.

Over $100,000 he said last night.

Uhhhh, that's the spending conservatives want to cut right now because they believe it doesn't create opportunity & doesn't spur growth...

What happened to all of those conservatives who want government out of their lives?

I guess except when it benefits THEM...


Rubio's parents entered the country illegally, he's been involved in financial scandal in Florida, he went into foreclosure in Tallahassee...


...and exactky what has he accomplished as a politican again?

[Tim85]

Originally Posted by gator996

Over $100,000 he said last night.

Uhhhh, that's the spending conservatives want to cut right now because they believe it doesn't create opportunity & doesn't spur growth...

What happened to all of those conservatives who want government out of their lives?

I guess except when it benefits THEM...


Rubio's a suckass, parents entered the country illegally, he's been involved in financial scandal in Florida, he went into foreclosure in Tallahassee...


...and exactky what has he accomplished as a politican again?

Are you going to gloss over my response? Also, how can you come on here and expect to be taken seriously when you can't even debate like an adult? Where's the honest discussion?

I (don't)like how you generalize all Republicans as just people who, "want government out of their lives." I shouldn't even have to say this, but we're not all the same person -- and most Republicans, that I know of at least, don't hate the government and want it eradicated. They want it to be run with common sense and wisdom, but if you want to be someone who's just another partisan-for-lifer with no interest in trying to find out the reality of the situation, that's your decision. The reason the government gets such a bad wrap from a lot of Republicans is because of the blatant inefficiency and incompetence of it, not because they just hate the idea of the government, or the government as a whole.

Your comments, to me at least, show just how extreme your dislike and view of half of this country is/

[gatorev12]

Originally Posted by orangeblueorangeblue

A stretch to say the least, OP.

+1

After 5 years of seeing conservatives blame Obama for any reason they could lay their hands on, no matter how flimsy the connection, it seems liberals are returning to the same behavior they displayed for the 8 years of the Bush Administration.

[gatornana]

*Avoid the topic of race. That's not what this thread is about*