UK fans ripping UF for handling of Noel injury...

[BEH]

Originally Posted by Go2gtr

I have this on VERY good authority. Duke Werner immediately went to the fallen player and asked the KY trainers if there was anything he could do or anything they needed. This is what they said to him, "Get the hell away from here." Not, "No thanks we got it," or "Stand by we'll let you know," but "Get the hell away from here." Hard to believe.

The UF training staff was dumbfounded. They followed them into the hall after he was carried off (without supporting his injured leg which was dangling) and saw him outside the locker room sitting on the floor in the hall next to the door by himself, waiting on who knows what.

From a manager's/trainer's perspective, KY was extremely supportive and accommodating when Tim was hurt in Lexington, which is what our staff was prepared to do Tuesday until waved off by the KY trainers.

This comes from an inside source who shall remain nameless.

The tenor of this makes me think it is a complete lie at the least and a very hard stretch of the truth at the best. Not only is it hard to believe it is absolutely unbelievable.

Trainers at all schools have the same goals and that is to help the players. They don't give a damn where that help comes from folks and they don't give a damn about the color of the uniform. The post above indicated that UK would not take help from UF and that concept is simply stupid.

Also having a long history of knee problems and a knee replacement two weeks ago I can assure you that a dangling injured leg is no problem i.e. you are not going to make it worse because it is already needing to be completely rebuilt. Based on the pictures I have seen, and according to my knee surgeon (and a long conversation with him Wednesday) Noel, at a minimun, has a torn ACL, MCL and a bunch of other structure damage. I feel that the trainers knew the knee was trashed in about two minutes. No stability in a couple different directions tells a lot.

The bottom line is that if Noel fell into Shanes orthopedic wing they would not have been able to do one damned thing instantly. An xray at the ODome would not have made things better, an MRI would not have helped either unless it would have made the bad news available a couple hours earlier. Plus all this crap being talked about here does not come from anyone who is in the know.

I am confident that Florida offered all the help they could and I am confident that UK appreciated that and if they needed help would have taken it immediately.

[Marshall]

Wow....while I can appreciate the tenor of our training staff, the reflections on the Ky basketball vs football staff seems to show an arrogance that I'm glad we don't share with them.

[tilly]

1.) Emmeto is not a rival poster...can we stop with that?

2.) Is it possible that in a scurry of activity near the baseline full of photogs and the like, that the UK staff made a blanket statement that was aimed at anyone close, and may not have realized the people close by were actually our trainers?

My guess is that its just as bad of taste to assume the worst of their staff, as it was for their fans to start and post in the thread from my OP.

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[Go2gtr]

Originally Posted by BEH

Also having a long history of knee problems and a knee replacement two weeks ago I can assure you that a dangling injured leg is no problem i.e. you are not going to make it worse because it is already needing to be completely rebuilt.

I can't believe you're serious with this comment. Let it dangle? The first thing would be to stabilize the leg because you don't know exactly what is wrong with it. You can't tell by just looking at it, c'mon.

I think you're in denial on this. If I were you I would want answers to this behavior which smacks of negligence. I know it would put KY in a bad light but how can you want to just sweep it under the rug?

Did you see when Lattimore exploded his knee? Surely you noticed they stabilized it before they moved him which is exactly what they should have done. And that's what your trainers should have done last Tuesday.

[StrangeGator]

Originally Posted by steve6137

If these circumstances are amping up the hatred between UK and UF fans, players, coaches, administrators, medical personnel, concessions workers, janitorial crews, etc., I'M ALL FOR IT.

Whoa! That could get ugly.

[JohnC1908]

Originally Posted by Go2gtr

What's the unfortunate part, that you heard it, or that it happened?

That it happened, had a friend who works for UF tell me the samething.

Emmitto and REM should be very concerned about this and this should be the focus of their attention if they care at all about the kids who come to their school to play for the Cats.

Emmitto is a Gator.

[BEH]

Originally Posted by Go2gtr

I can't believe you're serious with this comment. Let it dangle? The first thing would be to stabilize the leg because you don't know exactly what is wrong with it. You can't tell by just looking at it, c'mon.

I think you're in denial on this. If I were you I would want answers to this behavior which smacks of negligence. I know it would put KY in a bad light but how can you want to just sweep it under the rug?

Did you see when Lattimore exploded his knee? Surely you noticed they stabilized it before they moved him which is exactly what they should have done. And that's what your trainers should have done last Tuesday.

Hey, I am not a doctor or trainer and I may be in denial on everything, but your post about the UK trainers being nasty and saying no to all help simply does not ring true.

It will not put Kentucky in a bad light on either matter. I know that the UK trainer probably knows what he is doing and I doubt that any of the UK staff stated to a UF staff what was quoted. I sweep it under the rug because I simply don't believe one word of it.

[Go2gtr]

Originally Posted by JohnC1908

Emmitto is a Gator.

My mistake.

[kygator]

Originally Posted by tilly

1.) Emmeto is not a rival poster...can we stop with that?

2.) Is it possible that in a scurry of activity near the baseline full of photogs and the like, that the UK staff made a blanket statement that was aimed at anyone close, and may not have realized the people close by were actually our trainers?

My guess is that its just as bad of taste to assume the worst of their staff, as it was for their fans to start and post in the thread from my OP.

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I think this is a pretty reasonable possibility. It was a stressful situation and they may have just wanted some space, without any regard to who was actually approaching them.

[Go2gtr]

Originally Posted by BEH

Hey, I am not a doctor or trainer and I may be in denial on everything, but your post about the UK trainers being nasty and saying no to all help simply does not ring true.

It will not put Kentucky in a bad light on either matter. I know that the UK trainer probably knows what he is doing and I doubt that any of the UK staff stated to a UF staff what was quoted. I sweep it under the rug because I simply don't believe one word of it.

It was the dangling leg comment I was questioning, as you know. The quote is admittedly second hand (by someone very credible, however). You can't sweep under the rug the decision to carry him while his leg dangled. Their handling of the situation is questionable at best. But if you don't care why should I care?

[tilly]

I may be wrong here, but the leg dangling part may not be as big a deal as some think. Many times a player is helped off of the field/court with their leg dangling as they limp off on the other leg with the assistance of trainers/team. Rondo for instance, was allowed several days to figure out who would do his surgery... and was actually permitted to put some pressure on it the night of the injury.

I assume that the thought is, you dont blow an ACL worse by letting it dangle, and I think mobility tests on the spot gave the med team a pretty good clue that's what he had done. My guess is they knew within 60 seconds he was getting a reconstructed knee. The MRI just served as confirmation.

If they were concerned about bone displacement than they would likely be quicker to stabilize the knee.

[urbangirl]

Originally Posted by gatorump

Look at what happened when Tebow got hurt. Some showed concern many were elated including the player who hit him.

This.....I was at that game.