Wow. This is scary stuff and sorry you libs out there, this article came from your own media's mouths. So you can't say it's from "Faux News" so it's fabricated.
A confidential Justice Department memo concludes that the U.S. government can order the killing of American citizens if they are believed to be “senior operational leaders” of al-Qaida or “an associated force” -- even if there is no intelligence indicating they are engaged in an active plot to attack the U.S.
That means anyone is fair game to the Obama administration, even those that are deemed rivals. If I were Rush, Hannity, Trump, and any other "right-wing extremist", I'd be concerned. Militia groups should be on the lookout. Now you know why we need assault rifles.....no way you can shoot down these things with a hunting rifle (although not much chance with anything else).
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I'm actually more concerned about one of these things crashing into my house and killing my family because the "pilot" is incompetent. There's a lot to be said for personally sitting in the projectile you're hurling through the sky in terms of a)perceiving and b)caring about the danger you could represent to others. How many of these "pilots" (I choke on the word) are going to be underachievers whose parents finally found a way to get them to put down the PS3 and move out of their house and get a job?
Of course, good luck getting compensated for the damages if that happens, assuming you survive the impact.
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This is the exact same kind of memo that folks in the Bush administration gave themselves the OK to have "enhanced interrogation techniques" with.
There's something wrong with a system where the government can make these kinds of decisions through a secret process, execute them through clandestine activity, without them ever seeing the light of day. Something isn't legal because an official says it is, it's legal because a court says it is.
Just one more example of post 9/11 hysteria eroding the bedrocks of our system.
I'm actually more concerned about one of these things crashing into my house and killing my family because the "pilot" is incompetent. There's a lot to be said for personally sitting in the projectile you're hurling through the sky in terms of a)perceiving and b)caring about the danger you could represent to others. How many of these "pilots" (I choke on the word) are going to be underachievers whose parents finally found a way to get them to put down the PS3 and move out of their house and get a job?
Of course, good luck getting compensated for the damages if that happens, assuming you survive the impact.
Civilian survivors have been compensated in the past when other military planes have crashed and caused damage to property or a person...why would drones be any different?
Civilian survivors have been compensated in the past when other military planes have crashed and caused damage to property or a person...why would drones be any different?
I'm thinking more in terms of law enforcement and civilian security applications at the behest of DHS. If the cops crash one of these things into your house, it will be like a SWAT team kicking in the wrong door. "Oops, sorry. Have a nice day."
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LONDON (AP) — British soldiers in Afghanistan have been issued with surveillance drones so small they can fit in the palm of a man's hand.
The Scandinavian-designed Black Hornet Nano weighs as little as 16 grams (roughly half an ounce) — the same as a finch. The 4-inch (10-centimeter) -long helicopter is fitted with a tiny camera which relays still images and video to a remote terminal.
"We used it to look for insurgent firing points and check out exposed areas of the ground before crossing, which is a real asset," said Sgt. Christopher Petherbridge, with Britain's Brigade Reconnaissance Force. In a statement, he called the Hornet easy to operate and said it offered "amazing capability to the guys on the ground."
The military said Sunday that the toy-like Hornet is capable of flying even in windy conditions.
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Start attacking Americans it will be the downfall of the US Government... I do not believe any of this, there are more gun owners outside the military than within. If they want to see society fall, if they want to watch police die, firefighters, EMT's, etc... etc.... Then they will start attacking Americans, which I do not believe the the people will stand for. It will be the straw that breaks the camels back. I also personally believe if they asked military personnel to attack the citizens of the United States, 1/8 of them actually would, the other half would turn around and fire back at them instead.
I'm thinking more in terms of law enforcement and civilian security applications at the behest of DHS. If the cops crash one of these things into your house, it will be like a SWAT team kicking in the wrong door. "Oops, sorry. Have a nice day."
Wait a minute.....if a cop drone accidentally crashes into my house it is like SWAT team mistakenly picking my house and kicking in my door?
I understand your point.
I too have concerns with the Local LEO'S using drones to kill. I am OK with them using drones for surveillance and search and rescue.
As far as one crashing into my house I believe that is more in line of having a police cruiser hitting my car or house.
Start attacking Americans it will be the downfall of the US Government... I do not believe any of this, there are more gun owners outside the military than within. If they want to see society fall, if they want to watch police die, firefighters, EMT's, etc... etc.... Then they will start attacking Americans, which I do not believe the the people will stand for. It will be the straw that breaks the camels back. I also personally believe if they asked military personnel to attack the citizens of the United States, 1/8 of them actually would, the other half would turn around and fire back at them instead.
This has been in effect because 2 American citizens have been killed by drones because they were Al-Qaeda leaders..
Do we have to pick the American terrorists off the battlefield and give them a trial before execution or can we simply kill them as enemy combatants?
Conservatives turn everything in paranoia these days?
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From the point of view of Civil Liberties in general and what's left of the 4th amendment in particular I think that these miniature survellance drones represent a far greater domestic threat than predator-type military strikes.
If I want to just chill in my patio without being spied on how do I know if that tweety bird 40 feet in the air is actually a bird or a camera platform? I can absolutely see a legitimate law enforcement use for these devices when searching neighborhoods for fleeing suspects in a violent crime. They are bound to be far cheaper and quicker to deploy than a helicopter and crew.
But if the cops just want to go on a fishing expedition without a warrant it just got far, far easier for them to do.
Is this news? They've already killed an American citizen (and his kid) with a drone attack in Yemen several years ago. And they've been codifying the "rules" for awhile. And the left-wing media has covered it pretty exhaustively, IMO.
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No. It's now part of the American Way, like, say, torture, buying politicians, and prosecuting only small-time criminals and not big operators (otherwise known as CEOs).
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We can count on U.S. intelligence in deciding to execute. Didn't it do a good job on the WMDs in Iraq?
The future of warfare is changing...
One way is that it will not be nation states vs nation states
And when you're fighting a "terrorist" group that group may well have members
from your country.
Now, I agree that the memo is very sketchy in terms of what conditions can warrant a drone strike on an American overseas but I don't remember too many people being bothered when the drones hit Anwar al-Awlaki...
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Yes, I agree these attacks are far from surgical...
That's the nice thing about being CIC and the military (or perhaps I should say, on the matter of drones, the CIA, which is supposed to be an information-gathering agency). You get to play God on who all gets it, no conscience required (in fact, a lack of one is required).
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We can count on U.S. intelligence in deciding to execute. Didn't it do a good job on the WMDs in Iraq?
Perhaps you might have a plausible reason why an American citizen would be associating with known terrorists and chumming it up with them in the tourist hotspots of Yemen, Pakistan, Somalia, or Afghanistan?
Justice Dept Can Order Drone Strikes On Americans
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