Who defends themselves with guns?

[jdrgator]

Quite welcome.

I want to tell many of my liberal firends they need to take a slightly more Kubric-ian approach..."how I learned to stop worrying and love the gun"

[Lawdog88]

Moral (takeaway, if you prefer): Fire these guys.

[jdrgator]

Originally Posted by MichiGator2002

I think deterrence of violent crime is actually an argument for open carry, rather than concealed carry. I actually would prefer open carry as a social norm on that basis.

Deterrence isn't so clear in the street. OC could make the potential violent offender less likely to commit a violent act in a specific situation--e.g. if you open carry, they'll avoid you. However, it's equally plausible that OC would just displace who the victim is since the potential violent offender would simply find a more suitable target, or they will change the way in which they engage in violent acts, neither of which necessarily means diminishing the frequency of such acts.

With the majority of serious street violence occuring amongst and between young folks less than 25 years old (i.e. they are the offenders and victims), it is as MoI already pointed out, lifestyle that plays a key role. Think gang related violence, street robberies, drug related violence; all of which coalesce around age, community, and socioeconomic characteristics.

[tegator80]

Originally Posted by MichiGator2002

I think deterrence of violent crime is actually an argument for open carry, rather than concealed carry. I actually would prefer open carry as a social norm on that basis.

I agree that there is something to saying "not me and not here." I also think that things could de-evolve into manhood measuring. Men with testosterone are want to do those kind of things.

[MichaelJoeWilliamson]

Another one

A Marine Corps veteran was able to stop a man early Tuesday, March 12th from nearly kicking a woman to death. It happened near 102nd and Lincoln, and Wisconsin’s concealed carry law made his efforts possible.

Charlie Blackmore was driving home from work at 4:00 a.m. along Lincoln Avenue when he saw something on the sidewalk. Blackmore didn’t realize it was a woman on the ground being kicked in the head and stomach until he got closer.

That’s when he jumped out of his car and sprung into action.

“I said ‘stop’ and he starts coming towards me and that`s when I drew on him. He started getting closer and I said ‘get down on the ground,’” Blackmore said.

Blackmore held his gun on the suspect and called West Allis police. He says several times while waiting for police to arrive, the attacker moved toward him.

“I mean I’ve already made it up in mind that if he came at me I was going to have to take him down and I told him that. I warned him multiple times not to come towards me because he was a big guy and I wasn’t playing around and he didn’t seem like he was playing around,” Blackmore said.

Blackmore says police eventually showed up and had to force the suspect to the ground. They then asked to see Blackmore’s concealed carry permit.

“I put my hands up turned around and said ‘you can grab it out of my wallet.’ Checked my permit, gave me my wallet back, and then interviewed me for their paperwork,” Blackmore said.

[MichaelJoeWilliamson]

Commentary from HotAir

If you think that the woman couldn’t have been killed with the man’s feet, think again. In 2011, more than twice as many murder victims died from “personal weapons” — hands, feet — as did from rifles of all kinds, not just “assault weapons.” In this case, the man was the woman’s jilted ex-boyfriend who had been stalking her. She might be considering a concealed-carry permit next, if the boyfriend isn’t put away for a very long time.

http://player.ooyala.com/iframe.html...r3fxgfR0LPbrFY

[wargunfan]

[wargunfan]

Not all self defense with guns is against other humans. This is a story of self control and marksmanship with an itsy bitsy

shooter by a woman against a fierce predator.



What is the smallest caliber you trust to protect yourself?



She carried the Beretta Jetfire; a .25 caliber pistol





"While out hiking in Alberta Canada with my boyfriend we were surprised

by a huge grizzly bear charging at us from out of nowhere. She must have

been protecting her cubs because she was extremely aggressive.



If I had not had my little Beretta Jetfire with me I would not be here today!



Just one shot to my boyfriend's knee cap was all it took…… the bear got him

and I was able to escape by just walking away at a brisk pace.



It's one of the best pistols in my collection……...

[MichaelJoeWilliamson]

Originally Posted by wargunfan

Just one shot to my boyfriend's knee cap was all it took…… the bear got him

and I was able to escape by just walking away at a brisk pace.


It's one of the best pistols in my collection……...

I don't have to outrun that bear. All I have to do is outrun......you!

[MichaelJoeWilliamson]

With all the reports of daytime break-ins, it sounds like staying home unexpectedly in some suburban neighborhoods is more dangerous than a stroll through South Chicago, well, any time. wral.com has the story: “Chris Griffin said his wife, who had stayed home sick from work, heard a noise around 11 a.m. and then saw two men outside her house. When she heard them start kicking in the back door, she hid in the bedroom closet with a cellphone and a pistol.” That’s when one of the yoots decided to see if there was anything worth grabbing in the closet . . .

The men ransacked the house, and when they opened the closet door, she fired at them, Griffin said. One man was struck, authorities said.

They ran toward a neighbor’s house looking for help.

“I heard somebody out at the road. He was hollering, ‘Help me,’ waving his arms, jumping up and down trying to stop traffic,” Crumpler said. “There was another guy in the background. I heard him hollering, ‘Help me. I’ve been shot in the chest. I’m dying.’”

The wounded man then started toward Crumpler’s house.

“He started in this direction. I stepped inside and got my revolver,” he said. “I told him to hold it.”

The man then ran into the woods, Crumpler said.

Michael Bynum (above) was arrested while is pal Christopher Joseph will be joining him once the hole in his torso closes up. As we’ve said before, home carry.

Another one

[jdrgator]

Originally Posted by MichaelJoeWilliamson

Another one

Link? Thanks.

On a related note, home burglaries are as likely if not more likely to occur during the day than at night; typically offenders seek to enter empty (or thought to be) homes.

[MichaelJoeWilliamson]

Originally Posted by jdrgator

Link? Thanks.

On a related note, home burglaries are as likely if not more likely to occur during the day than at night; typically offenders seek to enter empty (or thought to be) homes.

Yep. That is why my wife has a handgun and shotgun nearby during the day. And we go to the range to shoot it.


Links

http://www.wral.com/woman-shoots-two...home/12256152/

and

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/page/2/

[wargunfan]

I decided to take a refresher safety course. Just went to the range and put 100 rounds of .45 cal. ACP through my new carry pistol. It's a Springfield XDS compact. Very accurate at 25 yards and a sweet shooter. My .40 cal. Sig P229 now resides in the night table.

[Minister_of_Information]

Originally Posted by wargunfan

I decided to take a refresher safety course. Just went to the range and put 100 rounds of .45 cal. ACP through my new carry pistol. It's a Springfield XDS compact. Very accurate at 25 yards and a sweet shooter. My .40 cal. Sig P229 now resides in the night table.

You must be wealthy. Janet Napolitano told me so.

[MichaelJoeWilliamson]

Because no shots were fired, some will say this does not count as a DGU

The driver pulled the car to the end of the car wash's driveway, and the three men got out and approached Watson. One of them gestured toward the man's car and asked if it was his. Then, he pulled a black pistol from his waistband.

What the robbers don't seem to have realized was that the man, Charles Watson, is a retired Dallas cop. He'd been on alert since he first seen the car approaching and had watched carefully as the men walked toward him, spreading out for tactical advantage, and positioned himself accordingly.

In other words, he was ready. By the time the robber could get the gun from his waistband, Watson had drawn and had his no-longer-concealed handgun trained on him. The two accomplices, who were reaching for their guns, stopped dead.

This tableau -- a former cop holding three would-be robbers at bay in the Easter morning predawn -- lasted only for an instant. First the man who had pulled the gun, then his two friends, turned and sprinted back to the waiting Corolla, which sped away. They haven't yet been caught, though Watson may have scared them straight for the rest of the holiday at least. Police records from yesterday have no similar robbery reports.

http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfa...o_rob_a_re.php

How many lives are saved every year due to defensive gun uses, without a shot being fired? How many rapes, assaults and robberies are prevented? Just showing the weapon has a definite impact on attempted.

[MichiGator2002]

Correct, they won't count it. In fact, had he been forced to fire in self defense, the dead marauders would be statistics in the argument for gun control.

[MichaelJoeWilliamson]

Good observations here;

How Many DGUs Are There Anyway?
Posted on February 7, 2012 by Robert Farago

[DGU = Defensive Gun Use. Make the jump for the map key.] “Gun control proponents want legislation that will restrict access to firearms, cato.org asserts. “The rationale for such legislation is to reduce accidental shootings and the criminal use of guns against people. But if harm reduction is the goal, policymakers should pause to consider how many crimes–murders, rapes, assaults, robberies–are thwarted by ordinary persons who were fortunate enough to have access to a gun. Gun control proponents cannot deny that people use guns successfully against criminals, but they tend to play down how often such events take place. The purpose of this map is to draw more attention to this aspect of the firearms policy debate. Two additional points are worth noting . . .

First, the map is not comprehensive. Criminals will often flee the scene when they discover that their intended target has a gun. With no shots fired, no injuries, and no suspect in custody, news organizations may report nothing at all. Thus, it is important to remember that news reports can only provide us with an imperfect picture of defensive gun use in America. Second, when a citizen is able to shoot an attacker or hold a rapist or robber until the police arrive, it is very likely that more than one crime has been prevented because if the culprit had not been stopped, he could have targeted other citizens as well. The bottom line is that gun owners stop a lot of criminal mayhem every year.

Cato’s admission regarding the map’s lack of comprehensiveness puts the org in the running for The English Understatement of the Year award. The vast majority of DGUs go completely unreported. Yesterday’s post on a DGU in Chicago is typical; the gun owner didn’t contact police after scaring off his potential attackers—for fear of legal retribution. There may be hundreds of thousands of similar incidents every year.

As we reported in June 2010, experts estimate that Chicago is home to over 100k+ illegal firearms. An unknown percentage are these gun owners are otherwise law-abiding citizens; they possess the weapon for self-defense. Extrapolate that into other gun restrictive jurisdictions (LA, New York City, New Jersey, Hawaii, etc.) and you have an enormous population of gun owners flying under the statistical radar. What’s more, we can safely assume that the people who own these unregistered weapons live in high crime areas. Which means they have a greater chance of using them for self-defense than the population who own guns legally. The key takeaway: a person who owns a gun illegally is NOT going to report a successful DGU to the po-po. More generally, there is no reliable data on the number of successful DGUs in the United States. Estimate vary widely. But Cato’s right: if a non-ballistic DGU happens in an urban jungle, and there’s no cop there to arrest anyone it didn’t happen. And yet it did. And it does. Every day of the year. Bottom line: you don’t have to shoot someone to save your life with a gun. But if you have to, you can.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...-there-anyway/

[The_Graygator]

Originally Posted by MichaelJoeWilliamson

Because no shots were fired, some will say this does not count as a DGU



http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfa...o_rob_a_re.php

How many lives are saved every year due to defensive gun uses, without a shot being fired? How many rapes, assaults and robberies are prevented? Just showing the weapon has a definite impact on attempted.

That right there is a stat that will never be calculated. Lots of times when someone pulls a gun on a threat, the threat runs away and there is almost never an arrest. Happened to me about 6 weeks ago in my own driveway near midnight one night.

Oh, that's right, according to the libs on GC, I was lying about that. lol

[helix139]

Originally Posted by The_Graygator

That right there is a stat that will never be calculated. Lots of times when someone pulls a gun on a threat, the threat runs away and there is almost never an arrest. Happened to me about 6 weeks ago in my own driveway near midnight one night.

Oh, that's right, according to the libs on GC, I was lying about that. lol

Doesnt matter whether you were lying or not, you were obviously being a racist so your story didn't count IIRC

[geauxgator1]

The only problem I saw is that she shouldn't have fired a warning shot.. next time just shot the SOB.

http://seattle.cbslocal.com/2013/04/...t-at-her-home/