The Voter Fraud That ‘Never Happens’ Keeps Coming Back

[mdgator05]

Originally Posted by gatorman_07732

Do you back 996's claim?

Yes as the evidence shows it to be true. If there were voters in line at 1 AM in Florida, as reported at the time by major media outlets and confirmed by the people in the lines, then they were on line for at least 6 hours, as you can't join a line after polls close at 7 PM. It is simple subtraction.

[JerseyGator01]

This thread is stupid. It's the very nature of fraud to not know where most of it is, but only where most of it is found. Anyone active in campaigns as a profession could perform voter fraud on a massive scale rather easily in a state without voter ID laws ... as I've posted before. It may only be one crack in the system, but it has the potential to be a gigantic crack if taken advantage of ...

Voter fraud is not noticed more because most elections are legally rigged by gerrymandering, campaign bribery (er ... finance) and the like. Since so few incumbents in Lawyerland lose these days, there is no need for fraud. The Prez election is one of a very few elections that has been close in recent years. Most of the liberal lawyers in Congress habitually win by 20 points.

Al Franken anyone? Read the book on his fraudulent election.

CORRUPTION RULES!!!!!

[gatorman_07732]

Originally Posted by mdgator05

Yes as the evidence shows it to be true. If there were voters in line at 1 AM in Florida, as reported at the time by major media outlets and confirmed by the people in the lines, then they were on line for at least 6 hours, as you can't join a line after polls close at 7 PM. It is simple subtraction.

Well I'll say this, I really forgot that Florida never got the voting thing down so I suppose it could be true. Those counties in south Florida need to get their act together and don't they have early voting down there?

[The_Graygator]

Originally Posted by mocgator

Nothing to see here... move along...

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...back-john-fund

Critics of voter ID and other laws cracking down on voter fraud claim they’re unnecessary because fraud is nonexistent. For instance, Brennan Center attorneys Michael Waldman and Justin Levitt claimed last year: “A person casting two votes risks jail time and a fine for minimal gain. Proven voter fraud, statistically, happens about as often as death by lightning strike.”

Well, lightning is suddenly all over Cincinnati, Ohio. The Hamilton County Board of Elections is investigating 19 possible cases of alleged voter fraud that occurred when Ohio was a focal point of the 2012 presidential election. A total of 19 voters and nine witnesses are part of the probe.

Democrat Melowese Richardson has been an official poll worker for the last quarter century and registered thousands of people to vote last year. She candidly admitted to Cincinnati’s Channel 9 this week that she voted twice in the last election.

It's pretty obvious that Obama and his cronies rigged the elections in Ohio because it was the #1 most important swing state and he knew winning Ohio would win the election for him. The odds that he won 99% of the vote in so many of those districts was like being struck by lightening twice in the same spot on the same, clear day.

i.e., it was impossible.

But hey, that's ok that he rigged the elctions (much like the Kennedys did back in the '60's). It's all about beating the Republicans, and to hell with the country.

[fredsanford]

More baseless accusations based on fantasies from the fact-free conserva-bubble.

Romney! Landslide! Book it!

[neisgator]

Originally Posted by corpgator

No, every year Republicans make sure minority voters have less and less places to vote thus making lines longer.

Full of Crap, party of one, your table is now available .

[Gatorrick22]

Originally Posted by gator996

So we can count on you to support the POTUS who mentioned on election night that we need to fix voting problems that have people waiting 6-8 hrs to vote...right?

Both partys suffer equally when this happens.

[MastaG8r]

Of course no one on the Left says voter fraud never happens.

First of all, because they know damn well it happens and that they are just as likely as the Republicans - if not more so - to benefit when it does.

But second of all and more importantly, they don't say voter fraud never happens because then they'd be proven wrong every time somebody brings up yet another example of it. Instead they just say, "Well we never said it never happens. But it's rare so nobody shouldn't worry about it." Meanwhile they will say this no matter how many times it happens and will dismiss every example as an isolated one.

And when somebody brings up an example of voter fraud that may not have been preventable through voter ID laws anyway, they say, "So what's your point? What does that have to do with voter ID laws?" They don't accept the argument that evidence of voter fraud in any form shows that we should take steps to minimize it in every form.

However as was noted earlier without comment from our friends on the Left, they have a different approach when a mass shooting occurs. They never dismiss that as an isolated example like they do with every occurrence of voter fraud. Instead they rally around it as proof of why we need stricter gun control laws.

And if the particular shooting in question might not have been prevented by tougher laws anyway? Doesn't matter. Evidence of gun violence in any form shows that we should take steps to minimize it in every form.

[fredsanford]

Ugh with the bloviating. Some people love the sound of their own "voice" a bit much.

Anyhow, the right knows that there is no such thing as widespread, systemic voter fraud. They keep pushing it as an issue because it helps to delegitimize the opposition.

Unfortunately for them, the last election showed that the country has shifted leftward a bit and it isn't buying what the GOP is selling. It's going to take a new product to win back the country, not new tactics or whining.

[OaktownGator]

Originally Posted by The_Graygator

It's pretty obvious that Obama and his cronies rigged the elections in Ohio because it was the #1 most important swing state and he knew winning Ohio would win the election for him. The odds that he won 99% of the vote in so many of those districts was like being struck by lightening twice in the same spot on the same, clear day.

i.e., it was impossible.

But hey, that's ok that he rigged the elctions (much like the Kennedys did back in the '60's). It's all about beating the Republicans, and to hell with the country.

As Joseph Stalin once noted, "it's not who votes that counts, it's who counts the votes."

Look at the party affiliation of a state's Secretary of State, and you know which direction any significant level of election fraud is going.

That's who drives voter roll purges (or not), and staffing and facilities provisions for polling places, and that's who counts the votes... he/she can leverage access to voting machines and tabulation software to tamper with vote collection and tabulation, as has been reported in elections in several states since 2000, when the President of Diebold (voting machines) famously guaranteed he'd deliver GW to the White House.

Local ground efforts to get out the vote, no doubt do result in some ineligible voters getting access to vote. And in close elections could be enough to swing an otherwise honestly run election. But individual voter fraud cannot overcome systemic top down election fraud... that's the losing party just spitting into the wind.

All of it needs to be cleaned up, from the top down if we want election results we can trust.

Voter IDs... sure, why not? But it's just the tip of the iceberg. Won't stop massive election frauds.

[MastaG8r]

Originally Posted by fredsanford

Ugh with the bloviating. Some people love the sound of their own "voice" a bit much.

Anyhow, the right knows that there is no such thing as widespread, systemic voter fraud. They keep pushing it as an issue because it helps to delegitimize the opposition.

Unfortunately for them, the last election showed that the country has shifted leftward a bit and it isn't buying what the GOP is selling. It's going to take a new product to win back the country, not new tactics or whining.

Isn't it cute how he keeps moving the goalposts? "Show us the voter fraud!" Uhh...okay, here's some. "Oh. Okay well, umm...show us the widespread, systemic voter fraud!"

If that's the standard then show us the widespread, systemic misuse of assault weapons and then we can talk about banning them.

[rivergator]

Originally Posted by MastaG8r

Of course no one on the Left says voter fraud never happens.

So why don't you guys quit claiming that's what 'the left' says?

First of all, because they know damn well it happens and that they are just as likely as the Republicans - if not more so - to benefit when it does.

But second of all and more importantly, they don't say voter fraud never happens because then they'd be proven wrong every time somebody brings up yet another example of it. Instead they just say, "Well we never said it never happens. But it's rare so nobody shouldn't worry about it." Meanwhile they will say this no matter how many times it happens and will dismiss every example as an isolated one.

And when somebody brings up an example of voter fraud that may not have been preventable through voter ID laws anyway, they say, "So what's your point? What does that have to do with voter ID laws?" They don't accept the argument that evidence of voter fraud in any form shows that we should take steps to minimize it in every form.

However as was noted earlier without comment from our friends on the Left, they have a different approach when a mass shooting occurs. They never dismiss that as an isolated example like they do with every occurrence of voter fraud. Instead they rally around it as proof of why we need stricter gun control laws.

And if the particular shooting in question might not have been prevented by tougher laws anyway? Doesn't matter. Evidence of gun violence in any form shows that we should take steps to minimize it in every form.

Using that case as an example of why we need voter ID laws is the same as someone posting a story about someone being stabbed to death and saying "And, yet, the right is opposed to banning assault weapons!"
Just kind of pointless and extremely lame.

[MastaG8r]

Originally Posted by rivergator

So why don't you guys quit claiming that's what 'the left' says?

Funny. In this thread the comments of one poster, moc, are attributed to "you guys."

Meanwhile over in this thread moc is accused of broad brushing others.

Originally Posted by rivergator

Given how much you like to broad brush others ....

[rivergator]

Originally Posted by MastaG8r

Funny. In this thread the comments of one poster, moc, are attributed to "you guys."

Well, that was the title of the thread, title of the piece in National Review and a common claim among conservatives here.

Meanwhile over in this thread moc is accused of broad brushing others.

and he does. what's your question?

[MastaG8r]

Originally Posted by rivergator

and he does. what's your question?

and so do you. It wasn't a question, it was an observation.

[g8orbill]

the left will never admit to this stuff because they know they are the ones most benefiting from it

[rivergator]

Originally Posted by g8orbill

the left will never admit to this stuff because they know they are the ones most benefiting from it

what isn't being admitted to?

No matter how many times Republicans keep coming up with huge cases of voter fraud, the cases always fall into dust. Hundreds of dead voters in South Carolina!!!! Nope.
Thousands of felons in Minnesota!!!! Nope.

This current case involves potentially 19 cases in Hamilton County, Ohio. If all 19 turn out to be fraud, it'd be .0034 percent of the voters in the county.

[fredsanford]

Originally Posted by g8orbill

the left will never admit to this stuff because they know they are the ones most benefiting from it

Ironic, because most of the prosecutions are of pubs.

[gator996]

Originally Posted by gatorman_07732

Well I'll say this, I really forgot that Florida never got the voting thing down so I suppose it could be true. Those counties in south Florida need to get their act together and don't they have early voting down there?

Need proof of a 6 hour voter?

Or, Should I say a 9 hour voter since 6 were dedicated to early voting and 3 more on election day...

http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/...ry?id=17630774

"Elizabeth Arteaga, a 60-year-old woman born in Peru, tried to vote last weekend. She arrived to the West Kendall Regional Library in North Miami at 9:00 a.m. and waited for a total of six hours to cast her vote. "My husband had to go to work so we couldn't stay in line," said Arteaga. "Handicapped people and elderly were waiting under the sun. They were treated like animals."

Finally yesterday she voted at the same polling place, after waiting another three hours. Only one of three voting machines was working, and the line was as big as it was the day before, says Ms Arteaga.

With one day left for early voters in Florida, long lines that extend for blocks in some parts of Miami are affecting people's ability to vote. Several voters that Univision spoke to in and around Miami said they waited from three to six hours in line. Some, like Ms Arteaga, decided to leave because they had to get to work.

Long lines like at this Miami polling place,...

Long lines like at this Miami polling place, have turned some early voters away.One reason for the delay is the ballot, which is more than six pages long. Voters are being asked not only to elect a new president but also to analyze 11 state amendments as well as several county questions. Some of the issues voters are being asked to weigh-in are: funding for abortions and religious freedom, as well as property tax issues affecting veterans and their spouses. This is the longest ballot in Miami-Dade history.

Despite requests from Democrats and Republicans to extend early voting one more day to Sunday, Governor Rick Scott stated he will not extend past Saturday."


The issue of how the voting infrastructure is deployed is a complex one.

Florida law restricts polling places to governent buildings...places like California do not restrict themselves in a similar manner.

Gov. Scott cut early voting days...

http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/02/0...s-adviser.html

Testifying before a House committee, Secretary of State Ken Detzner largely echoed the views of county election supervisors. They want to offer from eight to 14 days of early voting, including on the Sunday before Election Day, and at more sites, including courthouses and civic centers.

“The bottom line is, voter confidence must be restored,’’ Detzner said. “Supervisors of elections and county commissions must take it upon themselves to oversee elections through responsible leadership and administration.”

For years, elections officials and Democratic legislators have tried to increase the sites used for early voting.

“By having sites available at more locations, we can take advantage of better parking, bigger buildings and convenient locations,” said Seminole County Supervisor of Elections Mike Ertel.


The Legislature’s Republican majority in 2011 voted to reduce early voting from 14 days to eight, prompting complaints of voter suppression from Democrats and allied groups. But most counties offered 12 days of early voting for 12 hours each day, and President Barack Obama, a Democrat, won Florida for a second time.



Anything else you care to be wrong about when it comes to election process?

[BobK89]

How is it that Pennsylvania, a state with roughly the same population as Florida, which had no early voting was able to get everyone who wanted to vote, vote. And, counted all the ballots before the end of the night?

What the hell is wrong with the S o E's in the Florida counties??

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