The Voter Fraud That ‘Never Happens’ Keeps Coming Back

[gatorman_07732]

Originally Posted by Matthanuf06

150 people for over 2 hours? If they had 10 booths you are talking like 10 minutes per voter in a booth. That is nuts.

Well according to that study by MIT it looks like there are a lot of false stories being peddled around.

[fredsanford]

Florida had an idiotically long ballot due to their legislature trying to get things through they couldn't pass--including overthrowing the largely Dem appointed state Supreme Court.

[mdgator05]

Originally Posted by gatorman_07732

Well according to that study by MIT it looks like there are a lot of false stories being peddled around.

You seriously don't understand the concept of an average?

The highest full state AVERAGE was 45 minutes. With an average, it means that some were lower and some were higher. There were countless stories of ridiculously long lines. I remember on election night watching all of these false stories standing in line.

Will Fox News suffice?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...se-1313247840/

Those in line when the polls closed at 7 p.m. are allowed to vote. Election officials say it could take until 10 p.m. or later for the last voters in the state to cast ballots.

Virginia State Board of Elections Secretary Donald Palmer said there were long lines in Richmond, Arlington, Virginia Beach, Roanoke and Hampton, along with Fairfax County.

"It could go as late as 11 p.m. with the last of the localities where we receive results because some will go at least two or three hours past the deadline, which was seven, to get their results to the locality and then uploaded to our statewide database," Palmer said.

How about the Miami Herald?

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/11/0...h-florida.html

Miami-Dade will not report full election results until Wednesday, election supervisors said Tuesday night, as dozens of polls remained open four hours after closing time.

Lines were so long in some polling places, that the last voter did not leave the West Kendall Regional Libary until a few minutes after 1 A.M.

Miami-Dade will not report full election results until Wednesday, election supervisors said Tuesday night, as dozens of polls remained open four hours after closing time.

Lines were so long in some polling places, that the last voter did not leave the West Kendall Regional Libary until a few minutes after 1 A.M.

[vertigo0923]

There is no real voter fraud, (except where serous attempts by republican operatives were discovered and stopped) the persecution of ACORN was ridiculous even by republican standards, Mickey Mouse was never gonna be cable to vote, you guys know all of this deep down, just as Donald trump knows Obama was born on the u.s.a.
Sheesh.

[vertigo0923]

One should NEVER have to stand in line 7 or more hrs to vote. Rick Scott knows what he did and why he did it and he FAILED

[DaveFla]

Again, if you stand in line for more than about 45 minutes, you have no one to blame but the morons you have voting in your own precinct.

[rivergator]

Originally Posted by DaveFla

Again, if you stand in line for more than about 45 minutes, you have no one to blame but the morons you have voting in your own precinct.

that's a bit different than it's your own fault. glad to see changed that.

[DaveFla]

Originally Posted by rivergator

that's a bit different than it's your own fault. glad to see changed that.

I didn't. Go look at my original post.

[DaveFla]

You are, by default, one of the morons in your own precinct...

[gatorman_07732]

Originally Posted by mdgator05

You seriously don't understand the concept of an average?

The highest full state AVERAGE was 45 minutes. With an average, it means that some were lower and some were higher. There were countless stories of ridiculously long lines. I remember on election night watching all of these false stories standing in line.

Will Fox News suffice?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...se-1313247840/



How about the Miami Herald?

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/11/0...h-florida.html

Sorry but that is not what the report you provided from MIT says. As usual you are making things up. That does not say Florida had the nation's longest lines at 4 minutes average. Even if that was an average, there aren't 6 or 7 hour waits as 996 claims.

A Massachusetts Institute of Technology analysis determined that blacks and Hispanics waited nearly twice as long in line to vote on average than whites. Florida had the nation’s longest lines, at 45 minutes, followed by the District of Columbia, Maryland, South Carolina and Virginia, according to Charles Stewart III, the political science professor who conducted the analysis.

[rivergator]

I'm curious if any of our resident conservatives will actually address the absurdity of the initial post.

[vertigo0923]

Originally Posted by rivergator

I'm curious if any of our resident conservatives will actually address the absurdity of the initial post.

Wouldn't hold my breath

[rivergator]

Originally Posted by vertigo0923

Wouldn't hold my breath

No, I wouldn't think so. From what I've seen, the basic problem they have is an inability to understand it.

[mdgator05]

Originally Posted by gatorman_07732

Sorry but that is not what the report you provided from MIT says. As usual you are making things up. That does not say Florida had the nation's longest lines at 4 minutes average. Even if that was an average, there aren't 6 or 7 hour waits as 996 claims.

It is average. Charles Stewart III (MIT Prof.) is the analyst for Pew Charitable Trust's Elections Performance Index (which is where he is getting this data). They haven't updated their data to include 2012 yet (he will likely have the data for a bit before they do so), but here is their report on 2008.

http://www.pewstates.org/uploadedFil...ndex_brief.pdf

Their description of the "voting wait time" variable:

Voting Wait Time: How long, on average, did voters wait to cast their ballots?

And as for 6 hour wait, I provided you a link of a description of a polling location in Florida open past 1 AM. That is 6 hours after polls closed at 7 PM, and you can't join the line after polls close. So clearly, some people did wait more than 6 hours. From the Miami Herald again:

Lines were so long in some polling places, that the last voter did not leave the West Kendall Regional Libary until a few minutes after 1 A.M.

[gatorman_07732]

Originally Posted by mdgator05

It is average. Charles Stewart III (MIT Prof.) is the analyst for Pew Charitable Trust's Elections Performance Index (which is where he is getting this data). They haven't updated their data to include 2012 yet (he will likely have the data for a bit before they do so), but here is their report on 2008.

http://www.pewstates.org/uploadedFil...ndex_brief.pdf

Their description of the "voting wait time" variable:



And as for 6 hour wait, I provided you a link of a description of a polling location in Florida open past 1 AM. That is 6 hours after polls closed at 7 PM, and you can't join the line after polls close. So clearly, some people did wait more than 6 hours. From the Miami Herald again:

Again, that is not what it says. Even if that is true, 996's claim of 6-7 hours waits is ludicrous. Not that I would ever expect you to call him out.

[mdgator05]

Originally Posted by gatorman_07732

Again, that is not what it says. Even if that is true, 996's claim of 6-7 hours waits is ludicrous. Not that I would ever expect you to call him out.

The New York Times probably figured that people could figure out that they were discussing state-wide averages. Most people would probably be capable of figuring out that they weren't saying every single person in a state waited the exact same length of time, or whatever ridiculous claim you are making with it, as long as they weren't purposefully trying not to come to the obvious conclusion. They probably figure you don't need to see the word average in every sentence when it is clear that the data only contains statewide averages and that they talked about averages in the prior sentence.

So if a polling station is still open at 1 AM in a state where polls close at 7PM, as I have shown, how long did the people at the end of that line wait?

[gatorman_07732]

Originally Posted by mdgator05

The New York Times probably figured that people could figure out that they were discussing state-wide averages. Most people would probably be capable of figuring out that they weren't saying every single person in a state waited the exact same length of time, or whatever ridiculous claim you are making with it, as long as they weren't purposefully trying not to come to the obvious conclusion. They probably figure you don't need to see the word average in every sentence when it is clear that the data only contains statewide averages and that they talked about averages in the prior sentence.

So if a polling station is still open at 1 AM in a state where polls close at 7PM, as I have shown, how long did the people at the end of that line wait?

Do you back 996's claim?

[g8orbill]

Originally Posted by rivergator

I'm curious if any of our resident conservatives will actually address the absurdity of the initial post.

I fail to see any absurdity

[MastaG8r]

I wonder which number is higher:

A. The number of fraudulent votes as a percentage of all ballots cast in U.S. elections.

B. The number of people killed by assault weapons as a percentage of all U.S fatalities.

No way of knowing the first number for sure but it's most likely higher than the second number.

We all have the right to bear arms. However many states have gun control laws intended to minimize abuse of that right without unreasonably infringing upon it.

We all have the right to vote. However some states have voter I.D. laws intended to minimize abuse of that right without unreasonably infringing upon it.

When someone abuses the right to bear arms by using an assault weapon to kill innocent victims, our friends on the Left say it is proof that that gun control laws need to be stricter and the right to bear arms needs to be regulated more.

But when someone abuses the right to vote by casting a fraudulent ballot, our friends on the Left say it does not prove that voter I.D. laws are warranted and continue insisting that the right to vote needs to be regulated less.

[rivergator]

Originally Posted by g8orbill

I fail to see any absurdity

It's already been pointed out, but I'll be happy to repeat:
1. It starts off claiming that some people say voter fraud never happens. Of course, that's not what anyone claims. But plenty of us say it's very rare. Meanwhile, the writer tries to justify his claim by pointing out a study which concluded that voter fraud isn't nonexistent, but that it's very rare.
2. The OP tries to connect this case of fraud to voter ID, but obviously declined to explain how ID would have prevented it. That's probably because it wouldn't.
3. This fraud is tied to absentee voting, which is the one part of voting that Republicans haven't attempted to crack down on, even though that's where most fraud takes place. Actually, in Ohio, Republicans sent out absentee ballots to every voter, whether they asked for one or not.
Republicans are more likely to vote absentee. Democrats more likely to vote early. Fraud is more likely to occur in absentee voting. So Republicans cracked down on early voting. Because, you know, they're really concerned about voter fraud.