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Old 02-08-2013, 12:09 PM   #21
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Well if I said
"Hey hitler was right! The Jews are just not meant to live, also slavery should be reinstated to punish the looters!"

That's an opinion, and it can be despicable, even on a political forum.
Right. But this is about taxes, not genocide and slavery. See the difference?
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The point is why are these people complaining about anything??? They voted in a statist whose administration couldn't care less about the economy. Couldn't care less. They got elected without a good economy. They got elected by raiding the public treasury to buy votes. They got elected by raiding our children's earnings to buy votes.

Elections have consequences. These Americans don't come up on obama's radar in the slightest. They could care less in DC. These people are the great unwashed. Buy their votes and then refocus on to the power grab.

So let's go back to talking about gays, hand guns, and electric cars... that will fix things...
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Old 02-08-2013, 12:13 PM   #23
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The point is why are these people complaining about anything??? They voted in a statist whose administration couldn't care less about the economy. Couldn't care less. They got elected without a good economy. They got elected by raiding the public treasury to buy votes. They got elected by raiding our children's earnings to buy votes.

Elections have consequences. These Americans don't come up on obama's radar in the slightest. They could care less in DC. These people are the great unwashed. Buy their votes and then refocus on to the power grab.

So let's go back to talking about gays, hand guns, and electric cars... that will fix things...
You are correct. Although I don't think pinning the payroll tax hike on Obama is accurate. The damage Obama does for the poor is much less transparent than that. It's more about jobs and higher pay that doesn't exist due to these policies.
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Old 02-08-2013, 12:27 PM   #24
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He promised taxes would not go up. Now, you can call this a tax increase or a tax cut expiration, but the fact remains that his promise certainly sounded like he was going to keep the cut and he didn't.
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Regardless of how you choose to parse the words, it is most assuredly a tax increase by ANY definition.
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cutting a regressive payroll tax---good
raising it back up when the economy is not doing well--as dumb as it gets
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Right. But this is about taxes, not genocide and slavery. See the difference?
Enjoying the misery of those who already have it rough is pretty comparable to me.

He giggles? That's damn near psychopathic. Truth is some of the poor are underfed, and over worked, not all of them are lazy and deserving. These are our fellow human beings, as well as our fellow citizens too. And if we won't help them, then ffsake don't enjoy their misery,
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Enjoying the misery of those who already have it rough is pretty comparable to me.

He giggles? That's damn near psychopathic. Truth is some of the poor are underfed, and over worked, not all of them are lazy and deserving. These are our fellow human beings, as well as our fellow citizens too. And if we won't help them, then ffsake don't enjoy their misery,
My takehome has gone down about $300/mo since the New Year. I don't enjoy their misery. I share it.
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My takehome has gone down about $300/mo since the New Year. I don't enjoy their misery. I share it.
This.

The difference is... they voted for it... and we didn't...
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This.

The difference is... they voted for it... and we didn't...
Your flaw, of course, is that your hyper-partisan view doesn't allow you to understand that Romney (presumably the guy you voted for) would have let the payroll tax cut expire too.

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My takehome has gone down about $300/mo since the New Year. I don't enjoy their misery. I share it.
While you have to tighten your belt in this stagnant economy, the poor who already have nothing, must make cuts like clothing quality (which in the long run is more expensive) and food cuts (literally tightening their belts).

So yes you do share it... But what we are looking at here is who really suffers more, and I think it's fairly obvious that the poor do suffer more, if not, please become poor yourself through excessive donations, and find out.
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I always thought Obama was talking about building an economy 'from the ground up.' Maybe he meant building an economy ON the people on the ground.
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The payroll tax cut was helpful to those to whom every dollar of take home pay is critical. These folks got a bump in take home pay when the cut went into effect and when you're scratching to make ends meet it's easy to forget that the cut is temporary. What this tells me is that the economy is so flat that the cut might have needed to stay in effect until we get a president who can put aside partisan ideology and actually unite the Congress behind him with meaningful compromises. That won't happen until our current thin skinned ideologue is gone. Perhaps Hillary will take a lesson from Bill and move to the center where the solutions lie.
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While you have to tighten your belt in this stagnant economy, the poor who already have nothing, must make cuts like clothing quality (which in the long run is more expensive) and food cuts (literally tightening their belts).

So yes you do share it... But what we are looking at here is who really suffers more, and I think it's fairly obvious that the poor do suffer more, if not, please become poor yourself through excessive donations, and find out.
I've been poor. I already know.
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I've been poor. I already know.
And I assume you busted ass to get out of that situation....Because it sucked.
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And I assume you busted ass to get out of that situation....Because it sucked.
I don't know if I "busted ass". I just woke up everyday and worked, somehow snuck into UF, tricked them into giving me my BSEE and now I'm not poor anymore.
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The concern here for the working poor is awe inspiring.

Those of you showing such grand concern please feel free to shuttle off to another thread where you call them dirty, good-for-nothing, 47%ers.
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I don't know if I "busted ass". I just woke up everyday and worked, somehow snuck into UF, tricked them into giving me my BSEE and now I'm not poor anymore.
Ah, the magic elixer, you worked, and went to school...did you do this at the same time? How did you manage?
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The concern here for the working poor is awe inspiring.

Those of you showing such grand concern please feel free to shuttle off to another thread where you call them dirty, good-for-nothing, 47%ers.
Perhaps if the elected officials were so concerned they would stop continuing the same practices that have failed the poor for the last 50 yrs. You know the one that make people more dependent up the GOV, but wait that's what the pols want, dependents.
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