prez totally uninvolved in Benghazi *merged*

[jimgata]

The staff AIN"T the president! What was he too busy with not to take a hands on approach? OH yeah, his reelection, which was all that mattered to him.

[mocgator]

Originally Posted by fredsanford

I would have thought Election Day would have educated some of you about focusing on non-issues.

Instead of feeding the Obama obsession, how about working on some policies that voters might actually support?

Policies like free food stamps, free housing, free money, free food, free phones which produce $16T debt, $4 gasoline, 15% real unemployment, negative GDP...

Let's focus on gays and gun control... that will work...

[chemgator]

Originally Posted by fredsanford

I would have thought Election Day would have educated some of you about focusing on non-issues.

Instead of feeding the Obama obsession, how about working on some policies that voters might actually support?

Exactly. Obama only killed four Americans that day. And technically, Obama didn't even kill them. He just let them die. Sure, it would have taken some courage and awareness of his responsibilities to call in the military, but he only calls on the military for top terrorist targets. If it's just lower-level terrorists committing an attack on American soil, he just rolls the dice and hopes for the best.

When the original 9-11 terrorist attack happened, it was over before the president could do anything about it. When the Benghazi terrorist attack happened, it was over after the president did nothing about it. When you look at those two sentences, they're almost the same, except for a couple of words. So the president practically assisted in a terrorist attack against the United States. Is that wrong? Besides, whatever happened to "Whatever happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas"?

Obviously, it's a non-issue.

[cocodrilo]

Originally Posted by chemgator

When the original 9-11 terrorist attack happened, it was over before the president could do anything about it.

What do you base that on? It's true that Bush did nothing, but how did he know there wouldn't be time to do anything? That guy must be smarter than we think.

[chemgator]

Originally Posted by cocodrilo

What do you base that on? It's true that Bush did nothing, but how did he know there wouldn't be time to do anything? That guy must be smarter than we think.

The first plane to hit the WTC was widely assumed to be pilot error or aircraft malfunction. They didn't know for sure that it was a terrorist attack until the second plane hit or was well on its way to its target. And it wasn't that long before all four planes had crashed. The military was totally unprepared to respond. Even if GWB had issued some order, the military could not carry it out before all planes hit the ground. Obama could have issued an order that the military could have carried out in Benghazi before it was all over. The military was ready to act, but the president was not.

[jimgata]

This strange hold Obama has on the left is still a mystery. They will defend him and blame Bush under any circumstance.
Cult?

[cocodrilo]

Originally Posted by chemgator

The first plane to hit the WTC was widely assumed to be pilot error or aircraft malfunction. They didn't know for sure that it was a terrorist attack until the second plane hit or was well on its way to its target. And it wasn't that long before all four planes had crashed. The military was totally unprepared to respond. Even if GWB had issued some order, the military could not carry it out before all planes hit the ground. Obama could have issued an order that the military could have carried out in Benghazi before it was all over. The military was ready to act, but the president was not.

That won't wash. After the second plane hit, Bush did nothing for seven minutes (that's how long the goat story lasted, as I recall), and then, as I recall, sat around the schoolhouse composing a speech for TV, doing nothing for about half an hour in all. Meanwhile, how did he or anyone else know that only planes were involved? After the fourth plane crashed, they just assumed, well, that's it, the attacks on America are over? Notwithstanding that there was an apparent assassination attempt on Bush that morning, and even after that he sat in a schoolhouse full of kids, effectively inviting anyone else out there to "bring it on." Bush's behavior at the school, like so much else about the official story of 9/11, is a pile of government manure.

[northgagator]

Originally Posted by Row6

It wasn't an embassy, though one did occur on one the previous day in Cairo. Were there not regular attacks on the Baghdad embassy?

1, It was a US consulate that was attacked.
2, It was a CIA facility that was hit later that night.
3, There was a chemical weapon site nearby.
4, There were terrorist cells in the nearby area.
5, There was a US ambassador at the consulate.
6, Prior to that attack that same US Ambassador sent communications airing his concerns about security.
7, Also, it was confined this week the the White House knew that there was not any assets available for a rescue.

Now if you were the POUS what what woul be your priority: Hollywood Fund Raiser or your Ambassador whose life was in jeopardy?

[secgator]

Originally Posted by northgagator

1, It was a US consulate that was attacked.
2, It was a CIA facility that was hit later that night.
3, There was a chemical weapon site nearby.
4, There were terrorist cells in the nearby area.
5, There was a US ambassador at the consulate.
6, Prior to that attack that same US Ambassador sent communications airing his concerns about security.
7, Also, it was confined this week the the White House knew that there was not any assets available for a rescue.

Now if you were the POUS what what woul be your priority: Hollywood Fund Raiser or your Ambassador whose life was in jeopardy?

With liberals whose heads are so far up Obama's worthless ass---the Hollywood option would be at the forefront of priorities....for ALL liberals.

You already know that I'm sure.

[northgagator]

Originally Posted by rpmGator

I am 3,000 times more upset by 911 than Ben's Gazi.

It is called a sense of proportion.

I understand your position but there was more in play than Ben Gazi.

It is clear that the US took their eye off the ball in Libya. Chemical Weapons to keep in the right hands, regular weapons leaving Libya to other hit spots (Tunisia, Syria, Mali), and unrest in Egypt.

911 was planned in Afghanistan.

It is very possible that the next 911 will planned somewhere in The deserts of North Africa.

[jimgata]

So if proportion matters, if guess the next sense of outrage will be when the death toll of another heinous act exceeds that of 9-11. A death is a death and there should be outrage at incompetence, whether it be one death or 5000.

[The_Graygator]

Obama couldn't be bothered... he was too busy shooting skeet.

Joking aside... it's amazing how libs actually voted for this uncaring, incompetent.

[Row6]

Originally Posted by northgagator

1, It was a US consulate that was attacked.
2, It was a CIA facility that was hit later that night.
3, There was a chemical weapon site nearby.
4, There were terrorist cells in the nearby area.
5, There was a US ambassador at the consulate.
6, Prior to that attack that same US Ambassador sent communications airing his concerns about security.
7, Also, it was confined this week the the White House knew that there was not any assets available for a rescue.

Now if you were the POUS what what woul be your priority: Hollywood Fund Raiser or your Ambassador whose life was in jeopardy?

There weren't any realistic options that would resolve the issue, and Stevens was dead before Obama left for Las Vegas. Do you suggest that the president - whoever he is - define his schedule by whatever crisis beyond his immediate control is occurring in dangerous but limited foreign situations like Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya? BTW, security for foreign embassies and consulates are always the responsibility of the host country, including in the US. We had a very small footprint in Libya by design and who knows how many more dead Americans there might be there if we didn't.

[DaveFla]

Originally Posted by The_Graygator

Obama couldn't be bothered... he was too busy shooting skeet.

Joking aside... it's amazing how libs actually voted for this uncaring, incompetent.

And continue to support him.

[Row6]

Originally Posted by DaveFla

And continue to support him.

I'm sure you equally held Bush personally responsible for every attack on US troops and the embassy in Iraq and demanded an accounting of where he was and what he did when it happened. I know that I didn't, though I did hold him responsible for our being there.

[DaveFla]

Originally Posted by Row6

I'm sure you equally held Bush personally responsible for every attack on US troops and the embassy in Iraq and demanded an accounting of where he was and what he did when it happened. I know that I didn't, though I did hold him responsible for our being there.

And you didn't, right?

[chemgator]

Originally Posted by cocodrilo

That won't wash. After the second plane hit, Bush did nothing for seven minutes (that's how long the goat story lasted, as I recall), and then, as I recall, sat around the schoolhouse composing a speech for TV, doing nothing for about half an hour in all. Meanwhile, how did he or anyone else know that only planes were involved? After the fourth plane crashed, they just assumed, well, that's it, the attacks on America are over? Notwithstanding that there was an apparent assassination attempt on Bush that morning, and even after that he sat in a schoolhouse full of kids, effectively inviting anyone else out there to "bring it on." Bush's behavior at the school, like so much else about the official story of 9/11, is a pile of government manure.

For someone of GWB's intellectual stature, 7 minutes isn't enough time to gather his thought, much less react. He was in an appropriate intellectual environment, learning a story about a goat. That was the safest place for America to have him during a crisis.

[Row6]

Originally Posted by DaveFla

And you didn't, right?

As I said, I correctly held him responsible for our being there - as you can Obama for our having any presence in Libya - but I did not think it was his proper job to oversee every attack on or personnel there.

[jimgata]

Obama is certainly hands on with every hollywood party, whether it be in hollywood or the White House. There is always time for that.

[cocodrilo]

Originally Posted by chemgator

That was the safest place for America to have him during a crisis.

If he was alone, absolutely. But how did they know all those children and their teachers were safe?

I recall that as soon as they realized that America was under attack, a Marine with the president's party said, "We're out of here." But, oddly, they weren't. The Secret Service was in charge and apparently thought they were fine right there where they were.

Earlier that morning this same Secret Service had turned away some Arab types who tried to get access to Bush at his lodging for what they called a scheduled interview. Rather than find out who these guys were, the Secret Service simply told them to go away. How did the SS know later that these same guys, or anyone connected to the attacks, wouldn't try something at the schoolhouse?

Exactly one person acted like a professional or someone not in the know with the president that morning. The Marine who said in vain, "We're out of here."