Spurrier zings The Liar

[cocodrilo]

As I recall, it was after the Bama game that Shelly called 911 and said her husband was staggering around, holding his chest and saying, "This is the big one."

[CourtNorthGator]

Originally Posted by socraticsilence

No, I just recognize the reality of what he did as opposed to some on here who look for any reason to pretend that the amazing six year run we had when he was the head coach was due to someone/something else.

I agree with everything you say, but you'll never convince these people that--somehow--UF winning 2 NC and 2 SECs in 6 years under Meyer was worse for us than Ron Zook.

[CourtNorthGator]

Originally Posted by rpmGator

Without Meyer, we would still be behind the Noles in National Titles...

The thing both Spurrier and Meyer have in common, they went somewhere else to coach when the fan base noise got so stupid to think we would never have a loss.

Meyer is the best coach Florida ever had, and all you have to do is look in the trophy case to see why.

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Originally Posted by GatorSean

Maybe like he did when he took over bottom dwellers Bowling Green and Utah?

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Originally Posted by orangeblueorangeblue

I'd say the majority of college coaches lie on an almost nonstop basis. It's practically a requirement. Spurrier's one of the few that's a little more earnest, but he comes from a different time, before it was almost unheard of to tell recruits the truth, much less reporters.

But it's high time we stopped hating Meyer for being one of the best and leaving us.

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[gator85jd]

Originally Posted by cocodrilo

As I recall, it was after the Bama game that Shelly called 911 and said her husband was staggering around, holding his chest and saying, "This is the big one."

Yep.

[JohnC1908]

Originally Posted by socraticsilence

Its very, very arguable- they went undefeated- they did admittedly play a much easier schedule. Both team got an abnormally large amount of breaks, etc.

As stated the schedules are not even close. There is no reason to compare what each did.

What I don't get is why people think OSU is this horrible team due to winning a bunch of close games against reasonably bad teams but make excuses for the fact that this is pretty much a spot on description for what we did as well- this is not to say we don't have some better wins (though our best win was against FSU)-- and for all the people who say we were 6 turnovers against UGA from running the table, can I please point out that FSU was 5 turnovers against us from beating us for the 3rd straight time- you can't only use turnover logic one way- they're not Flukey for us and skill when we force them- they're skill both ways.

By no means am I saying UF dominated but they have signature wins. OSU has none and they got fat off an easy schedule. Which is what he likes up there, God Bless him.

Honestly us against OSU at the end of the year would've been a tossup- look how we played them the year before- we got a lot better but so did they, we both added some freshman and got development, they went from an over his head Defensive Coordinator/LBs coach to a man regarded by basically everyone outside of certain segments of our fanbase as the second best coach in college football.

I'm not really sure how they got better. You can't tell because they didn't play anyone.

Seriously, outside of certain people on this board and elsewhere in Gator Nation- Urban Meyer is basically seen as just below Nick Saban in any ranking of current college head coaches and if our year this season is proof of how good Boom is, then how come Meyer's turnaround of an even worse team at OSU doesn't prove the same for him?

Even when Urban was at UF I didn't care for him personally. I've never believed a thing he says, he's aloof and disingenuous. I don't sit around rooting against him every week but that's why the majoriy Gators don't care for him.

[AndyGator]

Meyer inherited a boatload of talent for his 2006 season. Why do people insist that only Meyer could have won the National Championship with that team? IMO, there were at least several other coaches UF could have hired out there that might have won it with the same players. Meyer carefully placed himself in the middle of a gold mine.

Just a little food for thought for the Meyer apologists.

[AndyGator]

What I don't get is why people think OSU is this horrible team due to winning a bunch of close games against reasonably bad teams but make excuses for the fact that this is pretty much a spot on description for what we did as well

We beat four out of five top-10 teams. Markedly different than Meyer/OSU. So this is nowhere near a spot on description for what the Gators did.

[GatorAvatar]

Originally Posted by AndyGator

Meyer inherited a boatload of talent for his 2006 season. Why do people insist that only Meyer could have won the National Championship with that team? IMO, there were at least several other coaches UF could have hired out there that might have won it with the same players. Meyer carefully placed himself in the middle of a gold mine.

Just a little food for thought for the Meyer apologists.

[CourtNorthGator]

Originally Posted by AndyGator

Meyer inherited a boatload of talent for his 2006 season. Why do people insist that only Meyer could have won the National Championship with that team? IMO, there were at least several other coaches UF could have hired out there that might have won it with the same players. Meyer carefully placed himself in the middle of a gold mine.

Just a little food for thought for the Meyer apologists.

Who is denying that Meyer carefully placed himself in the middle of a gold mine (UF)? Pretty sure Meyer even said that was one of the big reasons he came to UF. But we won 2 NC here at UF in the school's best ever run in football--2006 and 2008. Under Meyer. That's not a fluke.

[GatorAvatar]

Originally Posted by CourtNorthGator

Who is denying that Meyer carefully placed himself in the middle of a gold mine (UF)? Pretty sure Meyer even said that was one of the big reasons he came to UF. But we won 2 NC here at UF in the school's best ever run in football--2006 and 2008. Under Meyer. That's not a fluke.

I think what the Meyer haters are trying to say is he should have won 4 NCs from 2006-2009. With that "goldmine he inherited" any other coach would have done better.

[socraticsilence]

Originally Posted by JohnC1908

As stated the schedules are not even close. There is no reason to compare what each did.


By no means am I saying UF dominated but they have signature wins. OSU has none and they got fat off an easy schedule. Which is what he likes up there, God Bless him.


I'm not really sure how they got better. You can't tell because they didn't play anyone.


Even when Urban was at UF I didn't care for him personally. I've never believed a thing he says, he's aloof and disingenuous. I don't sit around rooting against him every week but that's why the majoriy Gators don't care for him.

They went from 6-7 to 12-0, in both cases playing in the Big 10- now the Big 10 is weak but its not so weak that going undefeated doesn't show a bit more than finishing the year with a losing record.

As to your final statement- just wow, if I have questions about the ability and temperament of a guy whose been here for two seasons and hasn't won anything (11 games is nice, but I don't see us painting "SEC East co-champs/Sugar Bowl runner up 2012" on the side of the Swamp anytime soon), had no previous track record as head coach and can't control himself in big games but if you weren't on board with the hottest coaching prospect out there who won us a national title in year 2 its all good-- yeah that's sound logic.

Finally, as to Meyer "inheriting talent" in 2006, how does that same argument not apply to Boom now? Its not like he came into a talentless roster- basically every big defensive contributor this season was a highly rated recruit signed by Meyer, heck the class before Boom became our HC was widely regarded as one of the most loaded of all-time- Floyd, Elam, Jenkins, Easely-- all big time recruits from said class.

[Swampmaster]

Originally Posted by socraticsilence

No, I just recognize the reality of what he did as opposed to some on here who look for any reason to pretend that the amazinwe had when he was the head coach was due to someone/something else.

not an amazing 6 year run--he won 2 titles, choked in the SEC title game in 2009, and had mediocre or bad teams the other 3 years.

[Distant Gator]

Originally Posted by orangeblueorangeblue

I'd say the majority of college coaches lie on an almost nonstop basis. It's practically a requirement. Spurrier's one of the few that's a little more earnest, but he comes from a different time, before it was almost unheard of to tell recruits the truth, much less reporters.

This needs to be repeated. But I would say ALL college coaches lie- not just the majority. And yes it's practically a requirement.

I was a scholarship athlete in an non-revenue sport at UF. I got recruited by a number of big programs- as did all my teammates. Furthermore I coach and I have a number of athletes being recruited. Based on my experience I tell my athletes "All college coaches lie. You cannot believe anything they tell you." It doesn't make the coaches bad people.

In their defense- these coaches would call it "managing the situation." I'm sure Meyer would have said the same thing about his last year at UF. He just tried to manage the situation so it didn't hurt our recruiting class.

So I don't blame Meyer for managing the situation- but it does make me appreciate SOS all the more.

[tilly]

Originally Posted by AndyGator

Meyer inherited a boatload of talent for his 2006 season. Why do people insist that only Meyer could have won the National Championship with that team? IMO, there were at least several other coaches UF could have hired out there that might have won it with the same players. Meyer carefully placed himself in the middle of a gold mine.

Just a little food for thought for the Meyer apologists.

Percy and Tim say hello!

[GatorAvatar]

Originally Posted by tilly

Percy and Tim say hello!

Those two were overrated

[socraticsilence]

Originally Posted by Swampmaster

not an amazing 6 year run--he won 2 titles, choked in the SEC title game in 2009, and had mediocre or bad teams the other 3 years.

Wow, you must think our tenure under Boom has sucked if Meyer's wasn't amazing- how many wins does Boom need in 2013 to even be decent coach- 12, 13- because he'd need 14 to equal Meyer's total after year 3, and then he'd have to win 13 again in 2014 and again in 2015.

Seriously, you do realize that our 2006-2009 run was the winningest 4 year stretch in SEC history until this year right? That our off years (9, 9, and 8) are basically what people would find acceptable for Boom this upcoming year right? Is Meyer just held to a different standard because he's that much better of a coach (at this point, in 5 or 6 seasons Boom might be at the Meyer level) or what?

[socraticsilence]

Originally Posted by tilly

Percy and Tim say hello!

Wait you mean a great coach signs great players and they help him win titles?

[JohnC1908]

Originally Posted by socraticsilence

They went from 6-7 to 12-0, in both cases playing in the Big 10- now the Big 10 is weak but its not so weak that going undefeated doesn't show a bit more than finishing the year with a losing record.

As to your final statement- just wow, if I have questions about the ability and temperament of a guy whose been here for two seasons and hasn't won anything (11 games is nice, but I don't see us painting "SEC East co-champs/Sugar Bowl runner up 2012" on the side of the Swamp anytime soon), had no previous track record as head coach and can't control himself in big games but if you weren't on board with the hottest coaching prospect out there who won us a national title in year 2 its all good-- yeah that's sound logic.

Finally, as to Meyer "inheriting talent" in 2006, how does that same argument not apply to Boom now? Its not like he came into a talentless roster- basically every big defensive contributor this season was a highly rated recruit signed by Meyer, heck the class before Boom became our HC was widely regarded as one of the most loaded of all-time- Floyd, Elam, Jenkins, Easely-- all big time recruits from said class.

Were you responding to my post? You've countered points I didn't make.

[tilly]

Originally Posted by socraticsilence

Wait you mean a great coach signs great players and they help him win titles?

Shhh...Dont agree with me...I'll be labled an "apologist"

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[orangeblueorangeblue]

Originally Posted by Swampmaster

not an amazing 6 year run--he won 2 titles, choked in the SEC title game in 2009, and had mediocre or bad teams the other 3 years.

Beyond comical. Just downright ludicrous.