Spurrier zings The Liar

[Tebowism0823]

Originally Posted by WESGATORS

You can't say "Spurrier quit on his team" in the same way that "Meyer quit on his team" - two completely different scenarios. It's a bit shallow to suggest that all coaches "quit" on their team. Coaches also aren't "quitting" when they take a step up (Coach Meyer didn't quit on Utah, Coach Spurrier didn't quit on Duke).

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

I was in the locker room when Spurrier "Quit" on his team. Not saying I'd use that term but many if the players did indeed feel that way and I'd agree that any coach that leaves could be considered quitters whether its right or wrong.

[Tebowism0823]

Originally Posted by elrongator

Meyer sucks donkey dork.
Why are folks that call themselves Gators so riled up to defend that douche bag?!!?
If you love him so much and are so grateful for what he did, and how he left then buy yourself a red sweater vest and keep cheering for him.
If not then just let it go.
You are never convincing me he is equal to Spurrier as a Gator, nor are you ever going to get me to say he left on good terms... He didn't, he shed crocodile tears, then flat out lied.
He said, "I wouldn't want to leave Florida only to go coach somewhere else a year or two later", but that's exactly what he did.
As for being with his family, that's a joke too. I happen to know for a fact that he spent less time with his family as an ESPN analyst than he did as our head coach. Heard his wife talking about it at the dentist we shared in Gainesville.
I also can't believe anyone doubts that he was targeting the OSU job, as their head coach was in very hot water and was on his way out due to the serious cheating/lying to NCAA allegations that had been levied before Urbs left UF for the second time.
Wouldn't surprise me in the least if he had spoken to OSU to assure them he'd be willing to take that job just to insure that they did part ways with Tressle.
Get off your knees and stop slurping Urban juice and start being Gator fans.
That dick head is our enemy now and needs to get the hell out of our recruiting grounds!!!
I am sick of even seeing his name in this forum.

You need to breathe bro!

[Spleezy]

I think people confuse 'upset he left us looking like crap' with 'we're hurt he's gone' big difference. I don't even know how you can draw that conclusion unless you're trying desperately to push the scorned girlfriend angle.

[GATORAZ]

Originally Posted by Lawdog88

There are a lot of people who think Urbs was terrible as a person and as a coach, and are not hurt one bit that he left.

I am not one of those, but there are plenty. There are also plenty that are mediocre on Urbs as a person and coach, who are happy he left.

I daresay the "so hurt he left" group . . . is pretty small.

Nobody actually believes Urban was a terrible coach and if they do they clearly don't understand the game of football.

A ton of people are hurt he left that's why conversations like this even happen.

[Gatorrick22]

Originally Posted by GATORAZ

If Meyer was so terrible as a person and a coach why are people still so hurt he left?

I'm not. I'm mad because he's up there in Ohio stealing our players, yet we still have people here praising him while he's doing it.

[WESGATORS]

Originally Posted by Tebowism0823

I was in the locker room when Spurrier "Quit" on his team. Not saying I'd use that term but many if the players did indeed feel that way and I'd agree that any coach that leaves could be considered quitters whether its right or wrong.

Do you think players are "quitting" on their team when they enter the draft prior to completing their eligibility?

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,WESGATORS

[Tebowism0823]

What I don't understand is why people on here care if somebody dislikes UM. I keep hearing he's not here anymore and if you dislike him that much then you should be happy he's gone. Who gives a shit if Gatorrick dislikes UM? He's entitled. If you don't, ignore the post and move on. I personally think UM is a dick and that he also quit on his team after telling them he wouldn't only to go back one year later. To the players it seems like a slap in the face.

[Tebowism0823]

Originally Posted by WESGATORS

Do you think players are "quitting" on their team when they enter the draft prior to completing their eligibility?

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,WESGATORS

Depends on the conversations leading up to the decision. Also you're not comparing the same two things. Most players look to their coaches as a second father; sometimes their only father. Comparing a teammate to a father figure isn't even close.

[WESGATORS]

Originally Posted by Tebowism0823

Depends on the conversations leading up to the decision. Also you're not comparing the same two things. Most players look to their coaches as a second father; sometimes their only father. Comparing a teammate to a father figure isn't even close.

The bolded part is my argument about labeling Meyer's departure the same as Spurrier's. They're not even remotely close to being the same other than the fact that they were both head coaches.

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,WESGATORS

[Tebowism0823]

Originally Posted by WESGATORS

The bolded part is my argument about labeling Meyer's departure the same as Spurrier's. They're not even remotely close to being the same other than the fact that they were both head coaches.

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,WESGATORS

They're the same when both locker rooms felt the same way. Just because you don't doesn't mean anything. IMO they both left because of egos.

[socraticsilence]

Originally Posted by elrongator

Meyer sucks donkey dork.
Why are folks that call themselves Gators so riled up to defend that douche bag?!!?
If you love him so much and are so grateful for what he did, and how he left then buy yourself a red sweater vest and keep cheering for him.
If not then just let it go.
You are never convincing me he is equal to Spurrier as a Gator, nor are you ever going to get me to say he left on good terms... He didn't, he shed crocodile tears, then flat out lied.
He said, "I wouldn't want to leave Florida only to go coach somewhere else a year or two later", but that's exactly what he did.
As for being with his family, that's a joke too. I happen to know for a fact that he spent less time with his family as an ESPN analyst than he did as our head coach. Heard his wife talking about it at the dentist we shared in Gainesville.
I also can't believe anyone doubts that he was targeting the OSU job, as their head coach was in very hot water and was on his way out due to the serious cheating/lying to NCAA allegations that had been levied before Urbs left UF for the second time.
Wouldn't surprise me in the least if he had spoken to OSU to assure them he'd be willing to take that job just to insure that they did part ways with Tressle.
Get off your knees and stop slurping Urban juice and start being Gator fans.
That dick head is our enemy now and needs to get the hell out of our recruiting grounds!!!
I am sick of even seeing his name in this forum.

Oh good homoeroticism and moronic conspiracy mongering that's just what this thread needed.

[socraticsilence]

Originally Posted by Tebowism0823

No I definitely see your point. I'd just find it very hard for him to pass up somebody of Tim's caliber at QB when he knows he wanted to be a Gator his entire life.

You asked a good question about would Tim still go to UF if he wasn't going as a QB. I don't believe that ever crossed his mind. I believe he would've talked Spurrier into giving him a chance if Spurrier didn't recruit him right away.

He didn't offer Tommy Frazier at QB.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Originally Posted by WESGATORS

Do you think players are "quitting" on their team when they enter the draft prior to completing their eligibility?

This is akin to a coach dying. When there's literally no other option, it isn't quitting.

[WESGATORS]

Originally Posted by orangeblueorangeblue

This is akin to a coach dying. When there's literally no other option, it isn't quitting.

How is there no other option? The other option is to stay until the completion of eligibility.

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,WESGATORS

[WESGATORS]

Originally Posted by Tebowism0823

They're the same when both locker rooms felt the same way. Just because you don't doesn't mean anything. IMO they both left because of egos.

Again, I think that's a shallow assessment. Let me ask you this. Do you think that both coaches felt they had the same support from their administration?

I could be wrong, but I don't imagine that a coach would go into as much detail about political disputes when dealing with their players. Obviously there are things that would have been said in the locker room that would not have been said elsewhere, but I also think the opposite is true.

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Originally Posted by WESGATORS

How is there no other option? The other option is to stay until the completion of eligibility.

I misread. Yes, I'd say it's quitting on the team to leave early.

[elrongator]

Ok,
I can see where my vitriolic post deserved some negative feedback...fine.
But I will not sit back and let people paint everyone who isn't falling in line to praise a coach who is recruiting directly against the interest of the Gators as "hurt" because he left.
The shock of Meyer's leaving was not that great the second time around after his epic post championship collapse in 2008.
I also won't sit by and have anyone try to paint his entire tenure at UF as the greatest job coaching in the history of college football. The bottomline is that it simply wasn't.
He had his "incident" (medical issue, heart attack, fatigue, burn out, acid reflux...whatever anyone wants to lable it is basically irrelevant and moot) and was never the same thereafter.
It is well documented both in actual statistics and in quotes from our players that Meyer played favorites with his star players to the detriment of both team morale and discipline, as well as to the effectiveness of our offense and development of backups.

He basically stopped being the head coach that he had been and did a piss poor job doing much of anything his last two years.
He cried his way into retirement thereafter and then despite Saban like statements that he wasn't going to go back to coach another team anytime soon, he does just that less than two years later.(Hence the indisputable fact that he made a liar out of himself.)
He now directly competes with us for talented players we need and want while having the old Bobby Bowden fast track to easy wins in a now extremely average/crappy conference.

I'm sick of the endless debating that he was good or bad and can't stand seeing this stupid debate repeated every week in yet another thread.
I will enjoy watching Meyer do whatever he does in his new conference then get curb stomped by any SEC team he's unfortunate enough to face if he makes it into a big bowl or playoff.
This holier than thou attitude of many posters claiming he was far superior as a whole to what I know he did/didn't do for our team is as bad as some nole trolls I can name who refuse to admit we kicked their ass this year.
Bottomline is Meyer was great for half his tenure and basically sucked for the second half badly enough that our program had to be rebuilt by Muschamp.
Those of you that can't admit that are just as guilty of lacking football acumen as those who say he was a terrible coach without any qualification of the statement.
Can we now get our ex-coach off our boards and let him fade into the irrrelevant position he chose for himself?
Jesus!!!

[GatorSean]

Originally Posted by Gatorrick22

I'm not. I'm mad because he's up there in Ohio stealing our players, yet we still have people here praising him while he's doing it.

Defending him for his time here is very different than praising him as the osu coach. As far as I can tell there is only ONE person on this board who actually praises him as the osu coach.

And, no, he's not 'stealing our players.' Typical over-exaggeration. What do you think he's doing... sneaking in the football dorms at night and kidnapping the players and taking them back to Ohio? C'mon. He is doing what EVERY football coach is doing... he's trying to get the best players to play for his team. And I don't see how that is ANY different than Spurrier, except of course, Meyer didn't choose a team that plays us every year.

But the truth of the matter is if osu or USCe gets a player that we wanted, then that's Muschamp's fault, and not Meyer or Spurrier. I am confident that Muschamp can hold his own against those guys.

[GatorSean]

Originally Posted by elrongator

Ok,
I can see where my vitriolic post deserved some negative feedback...fine.
But I will not sit back and let people paint everyone who isn't falling in line to praise a coach who is recruiting directly against the interest of the Gators as "hurt" because he left.
The shock of Meyer's leaving was not that great the second time around after his epic post championship collapse in 2008.
I also won't sit by and have anyone try to paint his entire tenure at UF as the greatest job coaching in the history of college football. The bottomline is that it simply wasn't.
He had his "incident" (medical issue, heart attack, fatigue, burn out, acid reflux...whatever anyone wants to lable it is basically irrelevant and moot) and was never the same thereafter.
It is well documented both in actual statistics and in quotes from our players that Meyer played favorites with his star players to the detriment of both team morale and discipline, as well as to the effectiveness of our offense and development of backups.

He basically stopped being the head coach that he had been and did a piss poor job doing much of anything his last two years.
He cried his way into retirement thereafter and then despite Saban like statements that he wasn't going to go back to coach another team anytime soon, he does just that less than two years later.(Hence the indisputable fact that he made a liar out of himself.)
He now directly competes with us for talented players we need and want while having the old Bobby Bowden fast track to easy wins in a now extremely average/crappy conference.

I'm sick of the endless debating that he was good or bad and can't stand seeing this stupid debate repeated every week in yet another thread.
I will enjoy watching Meyer do whatever he does in his new conference then get curb stomped by any SEC team he's unfortunate enough to face if he makes it into a big bowl or playoff.
This holier than thou attitude of many posters claiming he was far superior as a whole to what I know he did/didn't do for our team is as bad as some nole trolls I can name who refuse to admit we kicked their ass this year.
Bottomline is Meyer was great for half his tenure and basically sucked badly enough that our program had to be rebuilt by Muschamp.
Those of you that can't admit that are just as guilty of lacking football acumen as those who say he was a terrible coach without any qualification of the statement.
Can we now get our ex-coach off our boards and let him fade into the irrrelevant position he chose for himself?
Jesus!!!

As far as I can tell, basically every Meyer thread is started by Meyer haters such as yourself. I don't see any pro-Meyer threads being started. If you want to stop seeing his name on these boards, ask your brethren to stop making threads on him.

Pretty simple, really.

[elrongator]

Originally Posted by GatorSean

Defending him for his time here is very different than praising him as the osu coach.

Not really. In fact it's often indistinguishable. He wasn't that great during his last two years for our team. I, and many others, can point to many issues that would actually say he was directly responsible for our team's near complete collapse when we should have been rolling like Alabama has been.
It's also nauseating to see him use the same schtick for his third team in a row. It proves his whole act while here was just that...an act.
At least with Spurrier there is a real connection to UF from both his days as a player and a coach. Meyer...not so much.