Dr. Ben Carson speaks truth to Obama at prayer breakfast.

[GatorAvatar]

Imagine Jesus hanging out with these hateful 'Christians'. What a joke. Jesus preached tolerance, love, respect and most of today's Christians like this clown and Pat Robertson preach hatred.

[TWGator]

Originally Posted by GatorAvatar

Imagine Jesus hanging out with these hateful 'Christians'. What a joke. Jesus preached tolerance, love, respect and most of today's Christians like this clown and Pat Robertson preach hatred.

Where did he "preach" hatred?

[GatorAvatar]

Originally Posted by TWGator

Where did he "preach" hatred?

Didn't he put Obama in his godless place?

[QGator2414]

Feel better avatar?

[TWGator]

Originally Posted by GatorAvatar

Didn't he put Obama in his godless place?

THAT'S what you got out of that speech?

[wargunfan]

Originally Posted by QGator2414

What part of the theory of macroevolution gives you any confidence we came from some other species? What part of that theory gives you confidence that not only did we but this other species along with the rest of life came from a cell that started splitting? And in our case created two genders dependent on each other?

I am fine with science being taught. But science has not proven we came from another species so why can we not discuss the other plausible ideas?

Now that we have discovered the unbelievable complexity of a single cell, I would like to hear the detailed evolutionary explanation as to how the first cell originated out of the primordial ooze. That should really be interesting to learn about steps one through one million.

[HALLGATOR]

Originally Posted by QGator2414

In depth no. Skimmed the topic once (brought on by a too hot thread) once in the last year (maybe two as time is hard to remember with a 4 year old, two year old and baby due Monday) looking at both sides.

Off topic, but congratulations and hope everything goes OK.

[wargunfan]

As a Christian I can't see how the idea of a young earth holds much water. I don't deny that God is capable of creating in any way He chooses but it doesn't seem plausible that He would create fossils and ways to date them just to deceive us. I also don't believe there is any real evidence that mankind evolved from some ancient hominid. A tooth here and a bone there isn't convincing. Even if humans appeared 100,000 years ago that is but a blink of the eye in terms of evolutionary time scales. It appears to me that mankind appeared on the planet fully formed as a species. What happened to the species from 100,000 BC to 6,000 BC is only vaguely understood. My bottom line is that macro evolution does not account for the appearance of mankind.

[gatorman_07732]

This is a fascinating guy with fascinating ideas and a fascinating background. This is a little long (27 min), but really would recommend listening.

Dr. Benjamin Carson

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...obamacare.html

[mocgator]

Here is a self made Dr lecturing a pampered Marxists. And the Marxist despises him.

Delicious.

[gatorman_07732]

This guy has incredible substance and a great story. This is a man that should held up and celebrated in the African American community.

[theorangebluewinagain]

This is a smart man. Notice that he does not use a telepromtor to speak and that he helps people help themselves. Obama can not hold a candle to this man. Dr Carson speaks of working together, of being united. Obama wants one way and pits groups against each other.
No doubt when his 8 years are done it will be clear that his way was the wrong way.

[Gatormb]

Originally Posted by QGator2414

Thanks lacuna! Don't know why my iPad is not embedding like it use to...

Get a Droid. Oh wait. Love[list=1]
Love ya Dave.

[DaveFla]

Originally Posted by wargunfan

As a Christian I can't see how the idea of a young earth holds much water. I don't deny that God is capable of creating in any way He chooses but it doesn't seem plausible that He would create fossils and ways to date them just to deceive us. I also don't believe there is any real evidence that mankind evolved from some ancient hominid. A tooth here and a bone there isn't convincing. Even if humans appeared 100,000 years ago that is but a blink of the eye in terms of evolutionary time scales. It appears to me that mankind appeared on the planet fully formed as a species. What happened to the species from 100,000 BC to 6,000 BC is only vaguely understood. My bottom line is that macro evolution does not account for the appearance of mankind.

The "6,000 year old Earth" claim is a straw man the strict Evolutionists created in order to make Christians look foolish... Not very many, if ANY, actually believe this. Yet, it doesn't stop them from making the claim. I'm still waiting for river to prove his claim that this Dr. Carson has made the claim that he believes the Earth is but 6,000 years old.

[Row6]

Originally Posted by wygator

I think no such thing. Apparently though, Berkley thinks they are related.

My evidence for a designer is comparable to evolutionists evidence that all life came from one original source. Since no one was there at the origin, it is not testable, falsifiable or otherwise within the realm of traditional scientific inquiry by strict definition.

Obviously we can examine historical, fossil and other evidence and draw conclusions.

I believe the incredibly complex design of life, the interaction of hormones and enzymes and the factories to produce and release them in the right amounts at the right times, the differentiation of cells and the ability as a fetus grows for these cells to go to the right places and develop into specialized organs, a brain that functions in ways that computer designers still dream of, the process of healing when injured, eating most anything and having the body turn it into usable energy, are all evidence that there must be an intelligent agent involved in our creation.

Here is a video from Johns Hopkins that demonstrates how complex the process of something that we consider quite ordinary really is...the coagulation of blood.

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/hemat...oagulation.swf

So, you don't agree that whales and hummingbirds don't share bone structure, even though one weighs several tons and lives in water, while the other weighs an ounce and flies? Do you seriously maintain that good design dictates that, and that both these animals - along with humans - all appeared on earth at the same time?

Whoops, excuse me. Got an itch around my coccyx!

[rivergator]

Originally Posted by DaveFla

The "6,000 year old Earth" claim is a straw man the strict Evolutionists created in order to make Christians look foolish... Not very many, if ANY, actually believe this. Yet, it doesn't stop them from making the claim. I'm still waiting for river to prove his claim that this Dr. Carson has made the claim that he believes the Earth is but 6,000 years old.

DAve,an article has already been linked.I guess your point is that just because he's a 7th Day Adventists and that religion believes the Earth was created 6,000 years ago doesn't necessarily mean he believes it. Is that it?

[DaveFla]

Originally Posted by rivergator

DAve,an article has already been linked.I guess your point is that just because he's a 7th Day Adventists and that religion believes the Earth was created 6,000 years ago doesn't necessarily mean he believes it. Is that it?

Your claim was that he said it. I'm just waiting for you to substantiate that claim...

In fact, I believe it was you who tried to chastise me in another thread for trying to find guilt by association.. That's exactly what you're doing here.

[rivergator]

Originally Posted by DaveFla

Your claim was that he said it. I'm just waiting for you to substantiate that claim...

No, that's not what I said. Go back and read it again.

In fact, I believe it was you who tried to chastise me in another thread for trying to find guilt by association.. That's exactly what you're doing here.

I'm not sure that sharing the belief of your church is exactly 'guilt by association.' I suppose it's possible that he doesn't believe anything his church does, but that'd be a bit odd, don't you think?

[Gatormb]

Originally Posted by AzCatFan

The difference between evolution and ID in terms of the scientific method is evolution can be examined and questioned if and when new evidence is discovered. ID, on the other hand, is tautology. Something or someone created us because all things created has a designer. The only things that may be tested or hypothesized here is who or what is the something or someone that is the creator. And given that most creation stories throughout history have little or no basis in scientific fact, this discussion is best left to theology classes, and not science classes. That's not to say ID can't be mentioned in science class, but I'd prefer something like, "There are other, competing theories to the origin of species like ID, but in this science class, we are going to learn the most widely accepted, scientific theory. If you wish to further your knowledge of the competing theories, feel free to do your own research."

One thing that hasn't been mentioned before in regards to macro evolution is time. I know evolutionists usually groan when time is mentioned, but if evolutionary theory is true, humans have only been around for 10,000 years out of the 1-2 billions years life has existed on Earth. And we have only been recording our history for the past 5,000 years, give or take. To put this in perspective, there are 31,557,600 seconds in an average year (365.25 days to account for leap years). Using the assumption life is 1 billion years old, if it were compressed into a year, humans would only exist the last 5 minutes 15 seconds, and only have recorded the last 2 minutes 37 seconds. Now, there is a lot you can learn about a year in 2 minutes 37 seconds, but there is so much infinitely more you won't learn about.

With time in context, consider the total number of organisms that have lived in the past billion years, and then consider the number of fossils we have found. Fossils have only been searched and cataloged for about the past 150 years. The evolution puzzle could have thousands of pieces that we either haven't found yet, or may never found. And while we think we know what the completed puzzle looks like, it's not like we know for sure. Does this mean God is the answer?

Maybe, maybe not. We may never know for sure, but just saying God is the answer, or the "God of the gaps," if you will, again is tautology. It doesn't belong in science class.

Lotta words above to describe the evolutionist's favorite mantra (as scientific as it may be )

"Given enough time anything can happen."

[gatorman_07732]

It's people like Dr. Benjamin Carson that this country needed in the conversation of healthcare reform. Too bad it didn't happen