Dr. Ben Carson speaks truth to Obama at prayer breakfast.

[Row6]

Originally Posted by malligator

His point was that as soon as you say something offensive most people close up like a clam and want to hear nothing else the person has to say. I can see he was talking about you.

Heck, I recommend you not watch it, because it wasn't a particulary moving speech. It was okay, but nothing worth spending 26 minutes on. However, to stop within seconds because you heard a Bible verse at the National Prayer Breakfast certainly does show he had a point about political correctness.

I have no obligation to watch any video posted on TH but gave this a shot. From you and Lacuna's description he seems to think he can say whatever he wants and somehow defend himself as being a straight shooter for doing so. A non-PC straight shooter is someone who can accept himself and his own beliefs in criticism, not one who wallops his perceived enemies because he happens to have the stage. Since I roundly denounce the idea that the "godless" - like me - are somehow befouling the earth, I can't accept that as valuable criticism but the ignorant rant of a fool.

[Row6]

Originally Posted by squigator

And he lost Obama long before he stated his flat/fair/non-progressive tax opinion. I'm surprised they let this guy speak in Obama's presence. Loved it!

Quite a "non-partisan prayer breakfast", apparently featuring a speaker rude enough to promote his entirely partisan political beliefs before a captive audience.

[QGator2414]

I am being reminded of Fox and Friends yesterday morning when one of the attorneys debating the new Florida business logo using a necktie for the I being sexist saying...

We should just paint the world beige.

Hilarious and it hits home seeing the sensitivities on this thread...

[Dreamliner]

Originally Posted by Row6

Quite a "non-partisan prayer breakfast", apparently featuring a speaker rude enough to promote his entirely partisan political beliefs before a captive audience.

Now, if he can just manage to legislate, ram through by brute force his entirely partisan political beliefs, Obama will have an honest competitor.

[malligator]

Originally Posted by Row6

I have no obligation to watch any video posted on TH but gave this a shot. From you and Lacuna's description he seems to think he can say whatever he wants and somehow defend himself as being a straight shooter for doing so. A non-PC straight shooter is someone who can accept himself and his own beliefs in criticism, not one who wallops his perceived enemies because he happens to have the stage. Since I roundly denounce the idea that the "godless" - like me - are somehow befouling the earth, I can't accept that as valuable criticism but the ignorant rant of a fool.

And, again, if you'd listened to the speech you'd know he has no perceived enemies. I know nothing of the man, but his site says he is a pediatric neurosurgeon. He is also obviously a philanthropist.

Take a look at his site and tell me who his perceived enemies are. www.carsonscholars.org

[Row6]

Originally Posted by Dreamliner

Now, if he can just manage to legislate, ram through by brute force his entirely partisan political beliefs, Obama will have an honest competitor.

I feel your pain.

[rivergator]

Originally Posted by malligator

And, again, if you'd listened to the speech you'd know he has no perceived enemies. I know nothing of the man, but his site says he is a pediatric neurosurgeon. He is also obviously a philanthropist.

Take a look at his site and tell me who his perceived enemies are. www.carsonscholars.org

I'm not going to watch a 26-minute video, but reading a bit on him, it's clear he's a very smart and accomplished guy. Apparently he believes the earth was formed 6,000 years ago, so there's that ....

[Row6]

Originally Posted by malligator

And, again, if you'd listened to the speech you'd know he has no perceived enemies. I know nothing of the man, but his site says he is a pediatric neurosurgeon. He is also obviously a philanthropist.

Take a look at his site and tell me who his perceived enemies are. www.carsonscholars.org

I heard him quote scripture which denounced the "godless", so he apparently thinks I'm his enemy.

[malligator]

Originally Posted by rivergator

I'm not going to watch a 26-minute video, but reading a bit on him, it's clear he's a very smart and accomplished guy. Apparently he believes the earth was formed 6,000 years ago, so there's that ....

He's given 5200 college scholarships to deserving children, so there's that, too...

[rivergator]

Originally Posted by malligator

He's given 5200 college scholarships to deserving children, so there's that, too...

Yep, very impressive.

[DaveFla]

Originally Posted by rivergator

This must be one of those posts that Dave and others were complaining about on the other thread - you know, how non-Christians are always deriding Christians. No, wait a minute ...

No... More like this one...

Originally Posted by 108

what ever happened to the Religion forum?

i can't for the life of me relate to the belief of the god of religion...it takes such a gigantic leap of faith to go from the seemingly rational belief that maybe their is a creator of some sorts, to the dogma of religion

believe what you want, but its all just beliefs, treating it as fact is a strike on your own intellectual honesty

[Dreamliner]

Originally Posted by Row6

I feel your pain.

Thanks, and your inconsistency is duly-noted.

[malligator]

Originally Posted by rivergator

I'm not going to watch a 26-minute video, but reading a bit on him, it's clear he's a very smart and accomplished guy. Apparently he believes the earth was formed 6,000 years ago, so there's that ....

Derision. How surprising.

[rivergator]

Originally Posted by DaveFla

No... More like this one...

So there's criticism from both sides, huh? Kind of makes the claim that it comes from side look pretty silly, don't you think?

[DaveFla]

Originally Posted by rivergator

I'm not going to watch a 26-minute video, but reading a bit on him, it's clear he's a very smart and accomplished guy. Apparently he believes the earth was formed 6,000 years ago, so there's that ....

Is there a link to him saying this? I ask because often the people who criticize Catholics for their beliefs make this claim. It's not something those in the Catholic religion say.

[DaveFla]

Originally Posted by rivergator

So there's criticism from both sides, huh? Kind of makes the claim that it comes from side look pretty silly, don't you think?

You have to look to see who hurls the fire insult. Most Christians don't go around and arbitrarily insult those who do not have faith. On the other hand, it is common for those who disbelieve to be the first to hurl insults at those who choose to believe.

If you still insist this isn't true, then there is really no reaso to continue to discuss this further.

[Row6]

Originally Posted by DaveFla

You have to look to see who hurls the fire insult. Most Christians don't go around and arbitrarily insult those who do not have faith. On the other hand, it is common for those who disbelieve to be the first to hurl insults at those who choose to believe.

If you still insist this isn't true, then there is really no reaso to continue to discuss this further.

Dude, watch just the first minute of the video - which is the subject of this thread - and say that.

[malligator]

Originally Posted by Row6

I heard him quote scripture which denounced the "godless", so he apparently thinks I'm his enemy.

No. You think he thinks you're his enemy. I've looked around his scholarship website and see no religious requirment for scholarship receipients so he must be giving out a lot of money to people he considers his enemies. Or...you know...maybe he doesn't consider them...or you...his enemy.

[rivergator]

Originally Posted by DaveFla

You have to look to see who hurls the fire insult. Most Christians don't go around and arbitrarily insult those who do not have faith. On the other hand, it is common for those who disbelieve to be the first to hurl insults at those who choose to believe.

If you still insist this isn't true, then there is really no reaso to continue to discuss this further.

Complete and total BS.

[DaveFla]

Dude, I can't on my iPhone, dude.