02-05-2013, 12:06 PM
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Speaking of IHOP, Paula Poundstone talks about working there:
"I know the service was slow, but the floors were sticky!!"
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02-05-2013, 12:06 PM
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#82
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gator996
Its a matter of choosing a business strategy...
"pass the cost along" versus "eating an immaterial cost"
You want to debate Obamacare conspiracies...
You lost that argument already...your only hope now is to not fund it....
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You're down to Hope , these days, just like I am. And when your 'net-gain' argument founders, and we find (to almost no one's surprise) that the cure was worse than the problem (and it hits the people it was supposed to help), the coercionists like yourself will just blame it on conservatives and move on to the next bilking strategy.
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02-05-2013, 12:09 PM
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#83
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gator996
Its a matter of choosing a business strategy...
"pass the cost along" versus "eating an immaterial cost"
You want to debate Obamacare conspiracies...
You lost that argument already...your only hope now is to not fund it....
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What's an immaterial cost?
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02-05-2013, 12:14 PM
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#84
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wygator
What's an immaterial cost?
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It's an increased cost for the person who's voting to levy it on someone else.
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02-05-2013, 12:18 PM
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#85
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Gator Country Silver
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreamliner
You're down to Hope , these days, just like I am. And when your 'net-gain' argument founders, and we find (to almost no one's surprise) that the cure was worse than the problem (and it hits the people it was supposed to help), the coercionists like yourself will just blame it on conservatives and move on to the next bilking strategy.
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I'm not simply relying on hope...
When you get pass the bellyaching about the cost of Obamacare you see the structure for a system that at least attempts to apply some logic & reason to the process of reducing costs & improving quality...
Obamacare studies it...incentivizes best of practice...disincentivizes waste
Care to tell us how your solution would improve healthcare coverage and cut cost?
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"We want to be the fastest team in America, fast teams win."
"This is why we spend so much time recruiting because you need playmakers. You need difference makers."
Urban Meyer, Former Head Coach Univ. of Fla.
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02-05-2013, 12:19 PM
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#86
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I just did my taxes and have to bump up my withholding yet again in preparation for next year. The FICA increase took a bite. My healthcare premiums went up 53% this year. Inflation last year was 2% so that's a nice little purchasing power loss to tack on. The OP's waitress may have been fibbing about the numbers, but I'm sure her take home went down enough to hurt. Mine did and I sure as hell can't be the only one in this country it happened to.
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02-05-2013, 12:23 PM
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#87
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gator996
I'm not simply relying on hope...
When you get pass the bellyaching about the cost of Obamacare you see the structure for a system that at least attempts to apply some logic & reason to the process of reducing costs & improving quality...
Obamacare studies it...incentivizes best of practice...disincentivizes waste
Care to tell us how your solution would improve healthcare coverage and cut cost?
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Wow. It does all that? You must be the ONLY person in America that has read and understands the ACA, because no one else...including Congress..seems to really know what it's really going to do.
We're in...what?...year two of the rollout? The big provisions haven't even rolled out yet. I've not seen one iota of improvement, but my income has gone down significantly.
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02-05-2013, 12:40 PM
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#88
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wygator
What's an immaterial cost?
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If you use the WH employee as an example...
Could you imagine they get more than 5 days of sick leave...
They probably only get that much after ALOT of vesting...
So the sick leave dollar cost is probably $175 let say per employee.
As an additional cost to the business that's going to be a fraction of the overall costs.
In operations management you don't focus on the small costs, you work the larger items first.
The actual cost of the sick leave is probably much lower than what the company will charge customers...
What's the surcharge 7%...8%...10%????
That would be on all sales annually?
Versus 1 week of salary for each employee?
I think I know which one is likely to be higher.
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"We want to be the fastest team in America, fast teams win."
"This is why we spend so much time recruiting because you need playmakers. You need difference makers."
Urban Meyer, Former Head Coach Univ. of Fla.
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02-05-2013, 12:46 PM
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#89
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I think we need to put some WH waitresses and cooks under oath, and find out what's really going on.
We may find out, we really don't want to know.
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On the third day he rose again in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.
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02-05-2013, 01:06 PM
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#90
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gator996
I'm not simply relying on hope...
When you get pass the bellyaching about the cost of Obamacare you see the structure for a system that at least attempts to apply some logic & reason to the process of reducing costs & improving quality...
Obamacare studies it...incentivizes best of practice...disincentivizes waste
Care to tell us how your solution would improve healthcare coverage and cut cost?
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Obamacare is going to drive doctors out of the field of personal medicine and stuff thirty million new "insureds" into an already overburdened system. That is a business model that guarantees lower quality, higher prices, longer waits for service. It's gonna be like eating at Waffle House.
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02-05-2013, 01:08 PM
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#91
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Gator Country Silver
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wargunfan
Obamacare is going to drive doctors out of the field of personal medicine and stuff thirty million new "insureds" into an already overburdened system. That is a business model that guarantees lower quality, higher prices, longer waits for service. It's gonna be like eating at Waffle House.
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Your solution for rising HC costs?
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"We want to be the fastest team in America, fast teams win."
"This is why we spend so much time recruiting because you need playmakers. You need difference makers."
Urban Meyer, Former Head Coach Univ. of Fla.
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02-05-2013, 01:09 PM
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#92
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gator996
I'm not simply relying on hope...
When you get pass the bellyaching about the cost of Obamacare you see the structure for a system that at least attempts to apply some logic & reason to the process of reducing costs & improving quality...
Obamacare studies it...incentivizes best of practice...disincentivizes waste
Care to tell us how your solution would improve healthcare coverage and cut cost?
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Now we're down to "at least attempts."
This is the sort of language we're accustomed to seeing five or ten years before a program is considered an abject failure.
Thanks for trying though!
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02-05-2013, 01:11 PM
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#93
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Gator Country Gold
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vertigo0923
you can't argue this. they're just gonna have to wait and see for themselves that all will be well. i've given up arguing about it. it's the law, even some of the more rightwing governors are seeing the light and accepting the medicaid expansion. more and more people are feeling the benefits. my dad in law, a diehard republican, retired, is saving more than $100 a month on his prescriptions (yet, i bet he voted republican, lol) at any rate, as time passes everyone will see it's not the boogeyman that was predicted. just like medicare didn't turn us into a socialist country, even though that was the threat from those who opposed it.
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Tough to defend that which is indefensible...
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02-05-2013, 01:14 PM
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#94
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Heisman Candidate
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Location: Mesa, AZ
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gator996
Your solution for rising HC costs?
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Make more doctors, PA's, and CNP's. Not saying the gov't should make more of them. Just saying, in general, make more.
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02-05-2013, 01:14 PM
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#95
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gator996
Your solution for rising HC costs?
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Stop scaring people to death about their health, for starters.
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02-05-2013, 01:18 PM
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#96
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gator421
These kinds of things have been going on for years. It amazes me how some of our supposed enlightened posters act like it all started with Obama. I sometimes wonder how old they are or how much they've actually been paying attention.
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Funny. I have been wondering the exact same thing about you (and 966). It appears to me, by the way the two of you post, you have yet to experience any adult responsibility.
Just my impression.
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02-05-2013, 01:24 PM
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#97
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gator996
Its a matter of choosing a business strategy...
"pass the cost along" versus "eating an immaterial cost"
You want to debate Obamacare conspiracies...
You lost that argument already...your only hope now is to not fund it....
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Eating the immaterial cost...
Why bother even trying to make a profit? Why not work 80-100 hours per week for nothing trying to make your business successful?
Sometimes I wonder if you really believe the crap you write. Then, I come to the conclusion, that there is simply NO WAY any grown person can possibly think like this. No way in hell.
So just admit it. You're yanking our chain, right?
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02-05-2013, 01:24 PM
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#98
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Gator Country Diamond
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Quote:
Originally Posted by malligator
Make more doctors, PA's, and CNP's. Not saying the gov't should make more of them. Just saying, in general, make more.
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The relative scarcity of health professionals is part of what makes it profitable and thus appealing.
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02-05-2013, 01:33 PM
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#99
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Quote:
Originally Posted by orangeblueorangeblue
I thought the entire Waffle House franchise survived solely because of drunk people at 2 a.m.
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So in other words: You don't care about people like her, nor how hard this POTUS is making things for millions like her.
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02-05-2013, 01:37 PM
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#100
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No, I think that would be ascribing several opinions to me that I neither espoused nor hold.
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