Just Left The Waffle House

[gator421]

Originally Posted by gator996

If its purely economics its cheaper to eat at home.

I can buy eggs, bread, & juice for less per meal than any of those big operators who get purchase discounts...

What are you paying for?
The "quality" of a WH scrambled egg over one cooked by yourself?

Restaraunts have been the 1st industry to bitch because they exist on screwing over their human resources....

Its estimated that 1/3 of service employees go without healthcare coverage...

http://www.pdco.com/node/88698

"But despite the pizza price increase, many of Papa John's employees may still go without employer-provided health insurance after the law takes effect in 2014. The company would not say how many of its employees are uninsured, but in 2010 the service industry had one of the lowest rates of insured employees, with 33 percent of the workforce uninsured, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation"

...if the owners in the food service industry can only exist offering those levels of low wage, unisured, under 40 hrs/wk employment they shouldn't have anyone sheding a tear for them.

These kinds of things have been going on for years. It amazes me how some of our supposed enlightened posters act like it all started with Obama. I sometimes wonder how old they are or how much they've actually been paying attention.

[T3goalie]

Originally Posted by gator996

No one is saying that the owners aren't to make a profit...

But as a owner, if you choose to operate in a business segment with lousy returns on investment then get the hell out.

That's capitalism my friend....

You choose to run a business that can't make an acceptable profit without screwing your employees...that's your fault for investing your capital in such a business.

Like I said before if WH, Denny's, IHOP, etc. go under because they can't afford to operate then I think we'll be OK because someone will figure out how to make an acceptable profit, cover their employees, & serve breakfast.

For those who can't figure out how to operate in a competitive business environment...

I could care less if they survive...

You are officially a guy who never owned or operated a buiness and has no clue and you comments are typical.

You pre-suppose that Employers are trying to screw employees and that successful owners do not know how to operate..

Bottom line, if Obamacare makes it too expensive for certain market sectors to carry employees 40 hours per week, they will adjust and cut hours. That is a definition of a good operator. It is really that simple.

The businesses that have run without hick up are not srewing the employees the Goverment is screwing them. Adjusting operatons to current market conditions, including taxes changes, is the definition of a good operator.

You on the other hand think that Goverment can do what they wish and businesses will just have to take. That is not how it works. Furthermore, you are such a spiteful butthole you would rather see small business owners go out of business and employees lose thier jobs than admit that the dumbasses in DC have no clue as to the effects of their short sighted actions.

As to others coming in and filling the void for those who close, that would be laughable because they would be the clueless ones. They would walk in like you and think they know more than professional operators who have been running restaurants for decades.

[cocodrilo]

If the Waffle House would stick to waffles and the IHOP would stick to pancakes everyone would be better off. Selling things like eggs can only lead to trouble.

[gator996]

Originally Posted by PSGator66

I am not speaking about myself but there has to be a certain income level in which you are better off not working and just accepting EBT cards and free medical insurance when the Obamacare is completely implemented.

Well, you can't exactly eat healthcare can ya?

Ever try to buy clothes with healthcare?

How about fixing your car when it breaks down with food stamps?



Median household income in America is $50k...

http://money.cnn.com/2012/09/12/news...rty/index.html

"Median household income fell to $50,054 in 2011, down 1.5% from a year earlier. Income inequality widened, as the highest income echelon experienced a jump, while those in the middle saw incomes shrink"


How many people are getting governement handouts in excess of $50k?
And some of the government money is illiquid?


Keep your job if you're working...

[Dreamliner]

Originally Posted by gator996

Well, you can't exactly eat healthcare can ya?

Ever try to buy clothes with healthcare?

How about fixing your car when it breaks down with food stamps?



Median household income in America is $50k...

http://money.cnn.com/2012/09/12/news...rty/index.html

"Median household income fell to $50,054 in 2011, down 1.5% from a year earlier. Income inequality widened, as the highest income echelon experienced a jump, while those in the middle saw incomes shrink"


How many people are getting governement handouts in excess of $50k?
And some of the government money is illiquid?


Keep your job if you're working...

And also use the guns of government to force your employer to pay you more!

[Dreamliner]

While out in LA I learned that SF passed a sick leave referendum which forces small businesses to pay their employees sick leave.

Guess what restaurant owners are doing ? They're simply passing the costs of the new ordinance to their customers by means of a 'diner surcharge.'

So, when you eat out in SF, you're paying for employee sick leave now.

[wygator]

Originally Posted by gator996

If its purely economics its cheaper to eat at home.

I can buy eggs, bread, & juice for less per meal than any of those big operators who get purchase discounts...

What are you paying for?
The "quality" of a WH scrambled egg over one cooked by yourself?

Restaraunts have been the 1st industry to bitch because they exist on screwing over their human resources....

Its estimated that 1/3 of service employees go without healthcare coverage...

http://www.pdco.com/node/88698

"But despite the pizza price increase, many of Papa John's employees may still go without employer-provided health insurance after the law takes effect in 2014. The company would not say how many of its employees are uninsured, but in 2010 the service industry had one of the lowest rates of insured employees, with 33 percent of the workforce uninsured, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation"

...if the owners in the food service industry can only exist offering those levels of low wage, unisured, under 40 hrs/wk employment they shouldn't have anyone sheding a tear for them.

When did it become an obligation of any employer to provide health insurance?

Oh yeah...when Obamacare was enacted. Don't be surprised when new government mandates that increase the cost of doing business harm employees at the same time that they harm the bottom line.

[Dreamliner]

In a just world people who voted for increased costs on others ... would be billed for the costs. They alone would be forced to pay the costs or their assets seized to pay for the costs.

[wygator]

Originally Posted by Dreamliner

While out in LA I learned that SF passed a sick leave referendum which forces small businesses to pay their employees sick leave.

Guess what restaurant owners are doing ? They're simply passing the costs of the new ordinance to their customers by means of a 'diner surcharge.'

So, when you eat out in SF, you're paying for employee sick leave now.

Ordinarily, a business just passes on the cost in increased prices.

This is a very interesting move by the restaurants because they are, in a way, protesting and/or educating their customers about the increasing cost of doing business that govt. creates.

[gator996]

Originally Posted by T3goalie

You are officially a guy who never owned or operated a buiness and has no clue and you comments are typical.

You pre-suppose that Employers are trying to screw employees and that successful owners do not know how to operate..

Bottom line, if Obamacare makes it too expensive for certain market sectors to carry employees 40 hours per week, they will adjust and cut hours. That is a definition of a good operator. It is really that simple.

The businesses that have run without hick up are not srewing the employees the Goverment is screwing them. Adjusting operatons to current market conditions, including taxes changes, is the definition of a good operator.

You on the other hand think that Goverment can do what they wish and businesses will just have to take. That is not how it works. Furthermore, you are such a spiteful butthole you would rather see small business owners go out of business and employees lose thier jobs than admit that the dumbasses in DC have no clue as to the effects of their short sighted actions.

As to others coming in and filling the void for those who close, that would be laughable because they would be the clueless ones. They would walk in like you and think they know more than professional operators who have been running restaurants for decades.

I own 2 small businesses in florida...
I work in corporate finance as well...17 years...
I'm both employer & employee...small business & global corporation...

MBA in finance...


I think I know how business works...

Do you?




Again, to your highlighted points...

If you need a low skill, low wage, uninsured workforce environment to be successful you want us to k!$$ your a$$?

Please.

Maybe those "successful" business owners only need a workplace environment more like Cambodia to be even more successful in their own minds.

That's what's really going on, right scholar?

Standard of living is being globalized...

Is the USA able to deliver higher standard of living for being the wealthiest nation or is it simply a race to the bottom to eventually deliver "outsourced" country level of worker conditions.

Think I'm kidding?

The GOP has offered weakening child labor laws, breaking of unions, no minimum wage, no healthcare benefits, no national pension (SS), etc.

If they had their way, your 10 year old kid would be working in a Waffle House mopping floors for $3.00 day while the truly wealthy would be sending their kid to afterschool mentors with the hope of sending them to college.

Wonderful outcome your leading us to...a true 3rd world solution.
Pure "Haves" & "Have Nots"


BTW - Try to refrain from having to use terms like "butthole" for a couple of reasons:

1. It doesn't further your position
2. It should get you put on restriction per board rules

[gator996]

Originally Posted by Dreamliner

While out in LA I learned that SF passed a sick leave referendum which forces small businesses to pay their employees sick leave.

Guess what restaurant owners are doing ? They're simply passing the costs of the new ordinance to their customers by means of a 'diner surcharge.'

So, when you eat out in SF, you're paying for employee sick leave now.

Right, and then those restaraunts who can make up the value of that sick leave through higher sales volume from lower prices rather than "surcharges" will be the "winner" in the long run...

[Dreamliner]

Originally Posted by wygator

Ordinarily, a business just passes on the cost in increased prices.

This is a very interesting move by the restaurants because they are, in a way, protesting and/or educating their customers about the increasing cost of doing business that govt. creates.

I think it would be excellent if restaurant owners explained the reason for the surcharge to their diners. I don't know if they do or not, or whether the typical San Franciscan would even care.

[gator996]

Originally Posted by Dreamliner

In a just world people who voted for increased costs on others ... would be billed for the costs. They alone would be forced to pay the costs or their assets seized to pay for the costs.

How do you seize the assets of the poor?
They don't have any...

Since your so hot on personal responsibility...

Why aren't you pissed that you pay for the uninsured that default on their healthcare bills?

You are right now...

Obamacare mitigates that cost that others are putting on you by mandating that responsibility...


If you really believe in the bolded statement that you made...

You're definietly in favor of the tax liability portion of the individual mandate.

[Dreamliner]

Originally Posted by gator996

Right, and then those restaraunts who can make up the value of that sick leave through high sales volume from lower prices rather than surcharges will be the "winner" in the long run...

Like the sick leaves is going to boost sales, r-i-g-h-t.

[Dreamliner]

Originally Posted by gator996

How do you seize the assets of the poor?
They don't have any...

Since your so hot on personal responsibility...

Why aren't you pissed that you pay for the uninsured that default on their healthcare bills?

You are right now...

Obamacare mitigates that cost that others are putting on you by mandating that responsibility...


If you really believe in the bolded statement that you made...

You're definietly in favor of the tax liability portion of the individual mandate.

Do you mean how do you seize assets from people who know they have nothing to lose by raising taxes on others ? Deport their asses, for starters. Send them to France. There, allow them to live in the fear that THEY may one day be considered 'the wealthy.' Let the guillotines come for them!

[gator996]

Originally Posted by Dreamliner

Like the sick leaves is going to boost sales, r-i-g-h-t.

No, by not raising prices...

If the dinner surcharge is "material" then those who don't add it to the customer's bill will have lower prices than those who do.

Its kinda like the gratuity fee...if one place charges it and another does not...for many customers they will avoid places that automatically tack on 18%...


How much could sick days cost for a food service employee cost that makes $175/wk?

[108]

my guess is that the OP has absolutely no clue why the waitress's hours were cut, and is connecting the dots on his own

and does anyone believe a Waffle House employs more than 50 people to make them subject to any Obamacare fees for not offering insurance?

[Dreamliner]

Originally Posted by gator996

No, by not raising prices...

If the dinner surcharge is "material" then those who don't add it to the customer's bill will have lower prices than those who do.

Its kinda like the gratuity fee...if one place charges it and another does not...for many customers they will avoid places that automatically tack on 18%...


How much could sick days cost for a food service employee cost that makes $175/wk?

I know, it's kind of like easy come, easy go for the coercionists. After all, it's not their money.

[gator996]

Its a matter of choosing a business strategy...

"pass the cost along" versus "eating an immaterial cost"


You want to debate Obamacare conspiracies...

You lost that argument already...your only hope now is to not fund it....

[wygator]

Originally Posted by 108

my guess is that the OP has absolutely no clue why the waitress's hours were cut, and is connecting the dots on his own

and does anyone believe a Waffle House employs more than 50 people to make them subject to any Obamacare fees for not offering insurance?

It is the corporate total, whether by a franchisee who owns multiple stores (most franchisees do) or all the corporate stores.