Rove Declares War on Tea Party

[PITBOSS]

Originally Posted by Gatorrick22

And..... if they keep the Tea Party segregated like some kind of fringe group.

"like some kind"?!

they are, and history shows fringe groups don't last.

[rivergator]

it's getting nasty:

A group of conservatives on Wednesday called on American Crossroads to fire its spokesman, Jonathan Collegio, for calling conservative commentator Brent Bozell a "hater."

Collegio went on WMAL in Washington, D.C. Wednesday morning and said Bozell is a "hater" for opposing American Crossroads' new offshoot, the Conservative Victory Project, a super PAC aiming to back disciplined Republican candidates to win back a majority in the Senate.

"Bozell is a hater, and he also, like, has a long, sordid history, like, hating Karl Rove, too. So he has, like, a weird personal axe to grind," Collegio said.

In a letter, a number of conservative activists -- including Mark Levin and Tony Perkins -- called on American Crossroads president and CEO Steven Law to fire Collegio.

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[MastaG8r]

Originally Posted by PITBOSS

"like some kind"?!

they are, and history shows fringe groups don't last.

No they're not a fringe group. The Tea Party movement is based on fiscal conservatism. Our government takes too much and spends too much. That's not a "fringe" idea and the people who believe it aren't going anywhere.

Some people look at a Tea Party gathering and see white faces with the likes of Glen Beck on the stage so they label the whole group as extremists or racists or "fringe" or whatever other pejoratives they can come up with. Never mind actually listening to anything Glen Beck or the other speakers are talking about. It doesn't matter. Nothing good has ever come of a bunch of white folks getting together to support an idea, right? Well, except for the United States of America. But of course some of those same "some people" don't think that idea worked out all that well either.

[rivergator]

Originally Posted by MastaG8r

No they're not a fringe group. The Tea Party movement is based on fiscal conservatism. Our government takes too much and spends too much. That's not a "fringe" idea and the people who believe it aren't going anywhere.

Some people look at a Tea Party gathering and see white faces with the likes of Glen Beck on the stage so they label the whole group as extremists or racists or "fringe" or whatever other pejoratives they can come up with. Never mind actually listening to anything Glen Beck or the other speakers are talking about. It doesn't matter. Nothing good has ever come of a bunch of white folks getting together to support an idea, right? Well, except for the United States of America. But of course some of those same "some people" don't think that idea worked out all that well either.

So we should really listen to what Glenn Beck has to say? Glenn Beck? Seriously?

[MastaG8r]

Originally Posted by rivergator

So we should really listen to what Glenn Beck has to say? Glenn Beck? Seriously?

No you shouldn't, because it wouldn't do any good. But thoughtful, reasonable, open-minded folks can learn a lot from some of the things he says about how our government should work.

By no means does that mean that everything he says is necessarily poignant or even correct.

[rivergator]

Originally Posted by MastaG8r

No you shouldn't, because it wouldn't do any good. But thoughtful, reasonable, open-minded folks can learn a lot from some of the things he says about how our government should work.

By no means does that mean that everything he says is necessarily poignant or even correct.

Thoughtful, reasonable ... Glenn Beck.
Yes, folks, we have entered the Twilight Zone.

[PITBOSS]

Originally Posted by rivergator

So we should really listen to what Glenn Beck has to say? Glenn Beck? Seriously?

Good point. and who they support ie. Christine O'Donnell

[MastaG8r]

Originally Posted by rivergator

Thoughtful, reasonable ... Glenn Beck.
Yes, folks, we have entered the Twilight Zone.

In my post I didn't say Glenn Beck was thoughtful and reasonable, I said that thoughtful, reasonable people could learn from some of the things he says. However I will say now that he does indeed say lots of things that are thoughtful and reasonable. Some people might not think so, but thoughtfulness and reasonableness must already exist in the listener before it can be understood from the speaker.

[G8trGr8t]

Originally Posted by PITBOSS

Good point. and who they support ie. Christine O'Donnell

Rachel 'madcow" Maddow

[rivergator]

Originally Posted by MastaG8r

In my post I didn't say Glenn Beck was thoughtful and reasonable, I said that thoughtful, reasonable people could learn from some of the things he says. However I will say now that he does indeed say lots of things that are thoughtful or reasonable. Some people might not think so, but thoughtfulness and reasonableness must already exist in the listener before it can be understood from the speaker.

Oh, that's right. When Glenn Beck compares everyone and everything he disagrees with to Nazis, a reasonable and thoughtful person would recognize it as .... anything other than absurd BS catering to the lowest common denominator?
Glenn freakin' Beck?

[MastaG8r]

Originally Posted by rivergator

Oh, that's right. When Glenn Beck compares everyone and everything he disagrees with to Nazis, a reasonable and thoughtful person would recognize it as .... anything other than absurd BS catering to the lowest common denominator?
Glenn freakin' Beck?

So, nothing he says is thoughtful or reasonable, according to you. Because you've listened to every single thing he's said and that's your conclusion? No...more like he's a Conservative so you're predisposed to think he's entirely full of crap, and all you need is a few examples of what you consider to be disagreeable comments to validate your biased opinion.

Just like FOX News serves a Conservative audience so you despise it for that reason, and pretend your objection to the network is based on their occasional errors in reporting. Which of course pale in comparison to the wholesale manufacturing of phony storylines done by your Liberal pals on MSNBC, but never mind that. MSNBC serves a Liberal audience so how bad can they be? Their hearts are in the right place so save the criticism for those dastardly evildoers at FOX.

[Dreamliner]

Originally Posted by G8trGr8t

Rachel 'madcow" Maddow

She's the face of sensible, mainstream America!

[gatorman_07732]

Originally Posted by Dreamliner

She's the face of sensible, mainstream America!

Uh, don't you mean he?

[rivergator]

Originally Posted by MastaG8r

So, nothing he says is thoughtful or reasonable, according to you. Because you've listened to every single thing he's said and that's your conclusion? No...more like he's a Conservative so you're predisposed to think he's entirely full of crap, and all you need is a few examples of what you consider to be disagreeable comments to validate your biased opinion.

Just like FOX News serves a Conservative audience so you despise it for that reason, and pretend your objection to the network is based on their occasional errors in reporting. Which of course pale in comparison to the wholesale manufacturing of phony storylines done by your Liberal pals on MSNBC, but never mind that. MSNBC serves a Liberal audience so how bad can they be? Their hearts are in the right place so save the criticism for those dastardly evildoers at FOX.

Of everyone on the right, which does include some thoughtful and reasonable people, you name Glenn Beck.

[MastaG8r]

Originally Posted by rivergator

Of everyone on the right, which does include some thoughtful and reasonable people, you name Glenn Beck.

Because the discussion was about the Tea Party, and as far as I know he's the Conservative commentator who's been more directly involved in that movement than any other.

My point was that some people dismiss the Tea Party movement out of hand as a "fringe" group on the basis of seeing that their rallies are led by the likes of Glenn Beck, who they dismiss out of hand as some kind of "fringe" whacko because of a few of his arguably disagreeable comments that they've seen reported on websites like Media Matters and NewsHounds. "We watch FOX...so you don't have to!" I mean, think about the intellectually-bereft absurdity of that motto.

If you're a partisan Liberal then you're not going to like the Tea Party, Glenn Beck or FOX News. Why? Because you're a partisan Liberal, that's why! Be honest and stop pretending there's any other reason for it.

[Dreamliner]

Glenn Beck = Laurence O'Donnell.

[Distant Gator]

If you are a fiscally conservative/ socially liberal person then it seems logical that the R's would do better to move your direction. But the numbers tell a different story-

Romney won whites by 20 points. The same margin as Reagan.

The problem for him was that whites were 73% of the electorate, instead of 88% in Reagan's time.

Obama took 93% of blacks, 71% of hispanics and 73% of Asians.

If I recall 2nd Bush won 42-44% of hispanics. If Romney had won 42-44% of hispanics and asians then perhaps he would have won the election. It would have been very tight.

So IMO Republicans need to figure out how to draw hispanics like W did- that's the crux of the matter.

I don't think taking the liberal side of social issues will help R's with minorities. If I recall blacks and hispanics are MORE socially conservative than whites. (Which is how California passed Prop 8.)

How to attract minorities? I'm not sure- but this is what Republicans need to figure out if they want to have a chance in future elections.

[Dreamliner]

How to attract blacks ? They can't. So, why bother ?

[Distant Gator]

Originally Posted by Dreamliner

How to attract blacks ? They can't. So, why bother ?

Maybe one day but I agree it's hard to imagine right now.

But Hispanics voted for W just 8 short years ago so perhaps they can be wooed back.

Some on this thread argue that Republicans need to move left- esp on social issues.
The exit polls don't support that. They show that Romney lost due to losing Hispanics (and Asians) by 42. Therefore this is where R's need to concentrate.

[rpmGator]

Some should stop using Rino and come up with something better to describe those who have an actual chance of winning an election. I take it you don't remember the November score board.

If you want to go to pure Aryan Republicans, winning isn't your goal.

Hating on Moderates, won't get them to vote your way. Dividing, does not add votes to your total. Keep up the Rino crap, and all you do is piss off the voters you need.

Atlas Shrugged and got its ass kicked in the general election. Happy Now...