Rove Declares War on Tea Party

[rivergator]

Originally Posted by oragator1

Agree wholeheartedly, problem is the primary. They have to run so far right in the primary on religious and social issues that they are damaged in the general.

Look at the GOP candidates this year. None were remotely electable but Romney.

[fairfaxgator]

Get your popcorn out...this is gonna get wild!

[The_Graygator]

Originally Posted by mocgator

Until the Republicans find their conservative roots they will be lost. Continued control by the milk toast Rino's has to end. Mr. Rove... the Tea Party isn't going away... Time for you to move on..

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...-war-Tea-Party

The battle for the heart and soul of the Republican Party has begun. On one side is the Tea Party. On the other side stand Karl Rove and his establishment team, posing as tacticians while quietly undermining conservatism.

But it is American Crossroads and its ilk that have run the GOP into the ground. Spending millions of dollars on useless 30,000-ft. advertising campaigns during the last election cycle, training candidates to soften conservatism in order to appeal to “moderates,” blowing up the federal budget under George W. Bush as a bipartisan tactic – all of those strategies led the party to a disastrous defeat in 2012. The Tea Party, which may nominate losers from time to time, also brought the Republicans their historic 2010 Congressional victory. If Tea Party candidates lose, it’s because they weren’t good candidates; if GOP establishment candidates lose, it’s because they weren’t good conservatives. The choice for actual conservatives should be easy.

Grover Norquist correctly points out that the Rove mission is nonsense. “People are imagining a problem that doesn’t exist,” said Norquist. “We’ve had people challenge the establishment guy and do swimmingly.” In truth, conservatism wins elections so long as the messenger doesn’t implode. Rove’s view, however, is that conservatism takes a back seat to the best quasi-conservative messenger.

And to think that the Tea Party was, basically, accused of costing the Republicans the election?

One of the most insane suggestions I've seen so far.

What cost the Republicans the election was the many conservatives who didn't bother to go vote for Romney because of his moderate stances on several issues and the fact that he wouldn't dirty his hands and defend himself against Obama's character - assassination tactics.

If you put a REAL, hard-line conservative on the ticket next time, someone who will stand up and vehemently defend conservative values and stand up to the liberal characater - assassination tactics, conservatives will come out in droves and vote for them.

[VAg8r1]

Originally Posted by gatordowneast

Note to all Republicans. Ignore all advice from lefty, libbie commies. They are not your friends and do not have the party's best interest at heart and their screwed up philosophies and policies are mucking up the entire country and our society. Igore them. They conned enough mooches, slackers, thieves, misfits and government crack dependents to join the usual coalition of granolas, gays and blacks who would vote for a frickin donkey if it was on the ballot. When the "gravy train" gets derailed the mooch element will revert back to not voting.

The Republicans do not need advice from us liberal commies. As long as they nominate candidates like Sharron Angle, Christine O'Donnell, Ken Buck, and Todd Akin, not to mention alienating minorities, we'll do just fine.

[gatorman_07732]

Originally Posted by rivergator

Look at the GOP candidates this year. None were remotely electable but Romney.

Yeah, except Romney was not really electable either

[T3goalie]

GOP/RNC are a ship of fools who live in an ivory tower bubble... The Lunes of the left are street fighters. The Dems hate the Tea Party folks because they are likewise street fighters and the only real threat to house and Senate seats.

Ryan was a laughably ridiculous choice as a running mate for Romney. He is a technocrat House member from Wisconsin. YAWN If Romney wanted to pull a Tea Party candidate for VP, Rubio was clearly his best choice. It would have helped with Florida, which he needed badly, and with the Hispanic vote. What state could Ryan help deliver? None.

Romney, RNC, Rove, et al, thought that they could win by just showing up and they got less votes than McCain. Romney's position on Obamacare and his defense of Romneycare was ridiculous. 99% could not understand it and those who did knew the plan was fiscally broke even though it may technically be proper state action.

Romney fooled nobody. They tried to dress him up like Reagan and only those in the vacum thought that they could sell that mirage. And of course it was the Tea party's fault that he lost.

[DeanMeadGator]

Originally Posted by fredsanford

Anyone who thinks the GOP can return to national prominence by becoming more extreme is part of the problem.

People loved Reagan because he was pro-business AND protected Social Security. The masses will not vote for candidates who want to solve our fiscal issues out of the futures of the middle and lower classes.

As a father of 3 and grandfather of 6, I am extremely concerned about their future because our so-called representatives are too gutless and too aligned with their parties to do anything to reduce spending. It is a moral failure to burden future generations with many trillions of dollars in debt.

Seven questions:

1. Is it possible to ever repay $20 trillion in debt??

2. Is it possible to even pay the interest that is accruing by the minute?

3. If it is possible, when will it be repaid?

4. Why can't the idiots that are running this country balance a budget?

5. Who, exactly, can repay a $20 trillion debt. Let me suggest that no one can - the richest person in America cannot repay 10% - $2 trillion.

6. Are we so naive to think that borrowed money will not have be repaid?

7. What will be the impact of our out of control spending on the next 3 generations?

Will someone please explain how the "rich" can repay the debt. If you assume that those who make a million dollars a year are rich, how many rich people will it take to repay $20 trillion plus the accruing interest?

[RealGatorFan]

Originally Posted by mocgator

Until the Republicans find their conservative roots they will be lost. Continued control by the milk toast Rino's has to end. Mr. Rove... the Tea Party isn't going away... Time for you to move on..

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...-war-Tea-Party

The battle for the heart and soul of the Republican Party has begun. On one side is the Tea Party. On the other side stand Karl Rove and his establishment team, posing as tacticians while quietly undermining conservatism.

But it is American Crossroads and its ilk that have run the GOP into the ground. Spending millions of dollars on useless 30,000-ft. advertising campaigns during the last election cycle, training candidates to soften conservatism in order to appeal to “moderates,” blowing up the federal budget under George W. Bush as a bipartisan tactic – all of those strategies led the party to a disastrous defeat in 2012. The Tea Party, which may nominate losers from time to time, also brought the Republicans their historic 2010 Congressional victory. If Tea Party candidates lose, it’s because they weren’t good candidates; if GOP establishment candidates lose, it’s because they weren’t good conservatives. The choice for actual conservatives should be easy.

Grover Norquist correctly points out that the Rove mission is nonsense. “People are imagining a problem that doesn’t exist,” said Norquist. “We’ve had people challenge the establishment guy and do swimmingly.” In truth, conservatism wins elections so long as the messenger doesn’t implode. Rove’s view, however, is that conservatism takes a back seat to the best quasi-conservative messenger.

That's the reason I became partr of the Tea Party 4 years ago. Not just to beat the liberals, but to get rid of the Republican establishment that was part of this train wreck in politics.

[QGator2414]

Originally Posted by RealGatorFan

That's the reason I became partr of the Tea Party 4 years ago. Not just to beat the liberals, but to get rid of the Republican establishment that was part of this train wreck in politics.

+1

[RealGatorFan]

Originally Posted by oragator1

Agree wholeheartedly, problem is the primary. They have to run so far right in the primary on religious and social issues that they are damaged in the general.

Yep, we need to be evil when it comes to abortion and immorality. Keep telling ourselves the fetus is fair game. And then one day, God will judge each one of us whether we believe or not.

What is sad isn't the lack of faith in God but the cold, unemotional apathy to abortion. If I could, I'd have a 30 second commercial showing a 3rd trimester abortion on TV. Then I would add, "If this fetus isn't alive, why did it scream as the impact drill crushed it's skull and destroyed its brain?" If the litmus test is being able to take care of yourself, then that could be applied to children up to the age of 6 and the elderly. And most mentally-challenged people. Maybe we are closer to Logan's Run than we think?

[fairfaxgator]

Originally Posted by RealGatorFan

Yep, we need to be evil when it comes to abortion and immorality. Keep telling ourselves the fetus is fair game. And then one day, God will judge each one of us whether we believe or not.

What is sad isn't the lack of faith in God but the cold, unemotional apathy to abortion. If I could, I'd have a 30 second commercial showing a 3rd trimester abortion on TV. Then I would add, "If this fetus isn't alive, why did it scream as the impact drill crushed it's skull and destroyed its brain?" If the litmus test is being able to take care of yourself, then that could be applied to children up to the age of 6 and the elderly. And most mentally-challenged people. Maybe we are closer to Logan's Run than we think?

Yes, God would favor that commercial...

[Gatorrick22]

Rove needs to shut his balda$$ pie hole. That flunky is the reason the Dems won re-election. He and the RNC chairman, 'Prince Pubic' are a disaster waiting to happen.

[fairfaxgator]

Getting my scotch out now...scotch and popcorn...

[G8trGr8t]

Originally Posted by RealGatorFan

Yep, we need to be evil when it comes to abortion and immorality. Keep telling ourselves the fetus is fair game. And then one day, God will judge each one of us whether we believe or not.

What is sad isn't the lack of faith in God but the cold, unemotional apathy to abortion. If I could, I'd have a 30 second commercial showing a 3rd trimester abortion on TV. Then I would add, "If this fetus isn't alive, why did it scream as the impact drill crushed it's skull and destroyed its brain?" If the litmus test is being able to take care of yourself, then that could be applied to children up to the age of 6 and the elderly. And most mentally-challenged people. Maybe we are closer to Logan's Run than we think?

do you differentiate between third trimester and first trimester abortions? how many third trimester abortions are done annually that do not involve saving the life of the mother?

maybe we should focus on the quality of life for future generations that will be saddled with debt instead of highly emotionally charged issue of third trimester abortions.

past time that people on both sides started using more intellect and less emotion when choosing the people that lead this country.

the special interests know the weakness of the voters and it is their tendency to be emotional and they use it to control the masses. until we gain control of our emotions, we will continue to lose control of our future

[Dreamliner]

Republicans will never win back the White House if they keep messing with lady parts!

[Gatorrick22]

Originally Posted by Dreamliner

Republicans will never win back the White House if they keep messing with lady parts!

And..... if they keep the Tea Party segregated like some kind of fringe group.

[Swampmaster]

rove---failed advice in the 2012 election---he's trying to appear relevant, but he's washed up, old news. Move along karl---your days are past.

[vertigo0923]

Originally Posted by wargunfan

The Tea Party must become large enough to make the RINOS either come along or go over to the Democrats where they belong. Anything short of that and the Republicans are perpetual runners up.

so now, karl rove, aka 'bush's brain', is a RINO??????


HAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA

[HALLGATOR]

And under the bus goes Rove. But at least he has company since Bush, McCain and Romney are right there with him.

[oragator1]

Originally Posted by RealGatorFan

Yep, we need to be evil when it comes to abortion and immorality. Keep telling ourselves the fetus is fair game. And then one day, God will judge each one of us whether we believe or not.

What is sad isn't the lack of faith in God but the cold, unemotional apathy to abortion. If I could, I'd have a 30 second commercial showing a 3rd trimester abortion on TV. Then I would add, "If this fetus isn't alive, why did it scream as the impact drill crushed it's skull and destroyed its brain?" If the litmus test is being able to take care of yourself, then that could be applied to children up to the age of 6 and the elderly. And most mentally-challenged people. Maybe we are closer to Logan's Run than we think?

You are of course free to vote on any issue you choose. I am simply saying that it isn't a winner for republicans as a party because they end up having to cater to the Todd Akins of the world in order to hold their coalition together and that costs them elections. If they focused on pocketbook issues, spoke generally about social issues (keep families strong etc.) conservative voters would generally still vote for them and whatever they lost in apathy from conservative Christians would be more than offset by winning back the middle.