Does Kaepernick's success favour Tim's future?

[geauxgator1]

No one is "demanding" he get a spot, just a fair shot. That's a lot to ask for, I realize. He'll land somewhere, I have to believe. Oh, how's that number #1 QB pick doing in St. Louis these days? Just as a thought. I have to believe the Rams would be better off with Tebow.

[geauxgator1]

Originally Posted by gatorbogey

one thing that tebow does bring to the read/zone option is that he can run inside. RGIII and Kaep - their runs are designed to go outside predominately. kaep had one run to the inside and was rightfully stoned in his tracks, at least tebow could take on a tackler and deliver a blow back. having that added dimension could help in regards to how the DC's design their counter schemes

Good point. However, he's not as effective going outside as Kaeperncik or RGIII, but he can go outside if need be, whereas the other 2 can't go inside.

[GatorLaw]

Originally Posted by geauxgator1

Too many guys in this board come form the Merrill Hoge school of broadcasting. Yes, I think Kaepernick's success can only positively effect TT's chances. Why would they hurt him. Anyone who says otherwise is a troll.

I don't think anyone is saying the success of Kaepernick et al will hurt Tim, just that the successes of others won't help him because he doesn't seem to possess the critical skill that they have, i.e. a great passing game to go with the running.

[96Gatorcise]

Originally Posted by GatorLaw

I don't think anyone is saying the success of Kaepernick et al will hurt Tim, just that the successes of others won't help him because he doesn't seem to possess the critical skill that they have, i.e. a great passing game to go with the running.

It my not hurt him but I do not think it helps him.

Take this year's draft, the QB's coming out are weak this year. Most are passer's with exception of Colin Klein of K state.

Klein is in the same mold as Tebow, he is a bruiser who can run and has marginal to avg passing skills.

NFL scouts and teams have already let it be known that they are not interested in his skill set.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2013/sto...-invite-source

The reason the Senior Bowl is expected to pass on Klein are some of the same reasons he is not expected to be a high draft pick. Scouts are concerned about his throwing motion and passing abilities, even though he was good enough to elevate an entire football program and enable it to compete for a national championship.

[VolsFan07]

Originally Posted by gandergator

Tim expresses his moral and spritual values, This sports world can't stand that.

This is not true. Tim Tebow is a media darling because of his morals and faith. Despite not being a starter right now, his jersey is still one of the highest selling in the league. He gets plenty of attention. His faith and morals are NOT the reason he is not getting a shot again right now.

[Gatorstew]

Originally Posted by UFreak

Yes, they run A LOT of read option out of the pistol formation. So much so, that it's read option as much as anything else. I mean, one of the advantages of the pistol is to specifically allow the QB to run the read option effectively because of where he receives the snap from the shotgun.

Not saying Tim will land a starting job next year. But there is enough of what Tim can do in the league now that it may net him a backup role somewhere.

Call it what you want, but it still takes stellar QB play to succeed consistently. Can we sit here and honestly say that Tebow is in the same league as CK? Some may say the read-option almost won the super bowl. I say that CK's incredible scrambling ability, laser arm, dead-eye accuracy, and quick decision-making almost won it. That's just way too much to account for on defense.

[gatorlaw71]

Originally Posted by StrengthAndHonor

It's amazing how often Tebow doubters overlook the fact that Tebow was rarely allowed to throw on 1st and 2nd down during his days with Denver....

Do you think there just possibly might be a reason his coaches would rarely allow Tebow to throw on 1st and 2nd down with Denver, and weren't interested in him throwing at all with the Jets?

Do you think there just possibly might be a reason why teams weren't lined up around the block to bid for Tebow when Denver wanted to trade him?

[UFreak]

Originally Posted by Gatorstew

Call it what you want, but it still takes stellar QB play to succeed consistently. Can we sit here and honestly say that Tebow is in the same league as CK? Some may say the read-option almost won the super bowl. I say that CK's incredible scrambling ability, laser arm, dead-eye accuracy, and quick decision-making almost won it. That's just way too much to account for on defense.

I don't think anything you quoted from me runs contrary to what your statement is???
The one thing I will say though, as I have from the beginning in this thread, is that Tim's skill set is now more in demand than it was two or three years ago. If you have a team running a specific kind of offense, then you want to have backups who can run that offense. Tim, I think, will stay in the league because he has value as a backup running the read option. If your starting QB goes down and he runs the pistol and the read option out of the pistol, you would think it would be advantageous for consistency's sake to have the backup QBs be able to run the same offense.
Right?
If that is the case, then the OP is right.

[Jonas]

I really do think something happened with Tim's development his senior year. He was throwing into tight windows and making insanely accurate passes against Bama and OU in the SEC and BCS CGs. But I haven't really seen that from him since. It's like he needs his WRs to be wide open before he attempts anything out of fear of turning it over. I understand that you don't want to turn the ball over, but being gun shy can be just as bad.

[nflgator]

My opinion:
If you look at modern 'so called' great QB's .. they are not reading defense like most of us think they are. There is a great deal of study - of their WR's and RB's while also doing extensive study of their opponents CB's, S's and LB's. This is radically different from college. It is made into a science. When the QB lines up and looks at the D he is aware of his first couple of options immediately. Watch Brady and others - they get the ball & usually throw it immediately. They cannot do three level reads in 2 two 3 seconds. Much of it depends on prior analisys.

[SwampFox]

Originally Posted by Bazza

SF:

Are you saying a team cannot have more than 1 QB on the depth chart?

Or that Tim cannot play any other position than QB?

I'm saying that there is only one on the field at a time. He will not replace Rodgers at GB. He will be on the bench.

Tim is a player. Playing means most to him. I do not think sitting is enough for him, weekely check or not. I could be wrong though.

Can he make it at another position? I do not think he wants too. An what position are you thinking he has the necessary experience eand skillset for anyway other than qb??

[StrengthAndHonor]

Originally Posted by gatorlaw71

Do you think there just possibly might be a reason his coaches would rarely allow Tebow to throw on 1st and 2nd down with Denver

No doubt they had their reasons, care to surmise? The real question you should be asking yourself is would Tebow have the same paltry completion percentage had he had more freedom to throw on 1st and 2nd? Another 5-10 percentage points and we are having a much different discussion about Tebow today.

Originally Posted by gatorlaw71

and weren't interested in him throwing at all with the Jets?

I can give you several actually, most of which have less to do with Tebow and more to do with Sanchez and Ryan.

Originally Posted by gatorlaw71

Do you think there just possibly might be a reason why teams weren't lined up around the block to bid for Tebow when Denver wanted to trade him?

Gosh, maybe that paltry completion percentage I spoke of earlier? You know, the one that was a result of having to make unlikely throw after throw on 3rd and long?

[petro]

Try to think of Tim's situation from an NFL historical perspective. What QB has come into the league with a universally questioned college-to-NFL pedigree but were shunned and criticized from t minus one like TT? And of those, who has actually succeeded? The only 2 I can come up with even being close to TT's situation are Warner and Flutie. I look at how they handled their situations and were patient and worked and overcame to the degree which each achieved. I still don't see it ending well for Tim. And I'm a glass half full type.