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gatormoe1 · 02-04-2013, 08:15 AM

LOL @ people saying Tebows NFL career is over.

Dreamliner · 02-04-2013, 11:47 AM

Kaep is going to be a force to be reckoned with. Too bad he elected to suck so bad on that last possession. You don't just roll out and throw it into a pile three times in a row.

StrengthAndHonor · 02-04-2013, 12:26 PM

It's amazing how often Tebow doubters overlook the fact that Tebow was rarely allowed to throw on 1st and 2nd down during his days with Denver. What do you think the completion percentage would be of even the most elite QB's in the league if they could only throw on 3rd and long? How is it that this is always so conveniently overlooked by the likes of Steven A. Smith and his non-stop 'Tebow Can't Throw' mantra? Fact is the kid took a down and out team to the playoffs in his first full season as starter and won a playoff game against the #1 ranked defense throwing the ball. That's not hype, that's not orange and blue bias, it's real concrete evidence that, at the very least, says this guy has earned the opportunity to prove it wasn't a fluke.

To answer the OP's question though, I don't think CK's success can hurt anything and might help Tim's cause. But ultimately I think Tebow mania may need to die down before a team takes a chance on the distraction he brings. In other words, Tim may have to disappear for a while.

**gatordee** · 02-04-2013, 12:30 PM

I do not believe TT's arm is as good as kaepernicks

tegator80 · 02-04-2013, 12:42 PM

Not to diminish Tim's abilities but I think his best bet is to be released by the Jets and he gets picked up by NE as a "whatever" player. If Baltimore looked lost against the pistol then I could see teams scrambling for an athletic QB. Not today.

Gatorrick22 · 02-04-2013, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by gatormoe1

LOL @ people saying Tebows NFL career is over.

Exactly! These people aren't even fainting goats, they're brainless ESPiN lambs ready for the slaughter-house.

gymgator · 02-04-2013, 01:49 PM

If Tebow completed 15% more of his passes, then CK's success would be relevant. His sub 50% completion rate (despite drops & throwing it away to avoid sacks is higher than most) it is still deemed below average for a starting NFL QB.

Jets made it worse, as Sanchez struggles and Tebow STILL isn't used, implies Tebow is worse.

Bazza · 02-04-2013, 02:36 PM

Newsflash.........my friend in Elkhorn, WI says the Packers are interested in Tim!

Whoa that would be a fantastic opportunity.

All who say his NFL career is over.....nothing personal but

GO TIM!

**Bear1974** · 02-04-2013, 02:49 PM

If Tim is ever going to get any legit chance he needs two things -

1. An organization willing to go in 100% with him which has not happened yet.
2. Put players around him that would highlight his abilities on offense.

Unless an NFL team is willing to do any of those things then Tim is never going to get any chances in the NFL anymore.

Given the success of the pistol system this year with the Redskins and 49ers - you certainly see players like Tim that can succeed if given the legit opportunity which the 49ers and Redskins were willing to do.

But two main differences between Kaepernick and Tim is - arm strength and being able to get rid of the ball immediately i.e. don't hold the ball - anticipate the coverage and throw the ball immediately.

In my opinion - up to this point - I don't think Denver coaches or Jets Coaches wanted too or had any desire to coach Tim up at all and the moment any failures happened it was just an excuse not to play the guy. There seems to be this need to want Tim to fail - I don't get it and I will never get it but right now there is this perception that Tim would be a cancer to any roster - why - because he is popular, hard worker, and good guy - go figure - it does not make any sense to me either.

tegator80 · 02-04-2013, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Bazza

Newsflash.........my friend in Elkhorn, WI says the Packers are interested in Tim!

Whoa that would be a fantastic opportunity.

All who say his NFL career is over.....nothing personal but

GO TIM!

That may work. I can see Aaron being amenable. Is Tim up to being a role player on a GB team?

SwampFox · 02-04-2013, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Bazza

Newsflash.........my friend in Elkhorn, WI says the Packers are interested in Tim!

Whoa that would be a fantastic opportunity.

All who say his NFL career is over.....nothing personal but

GO TIM!

Aaron is retiring?....lol............sounds like just a different clipboard to carry..........

cstgator · 02-04-2013, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by gatordee

I do not believe TT's arm is as good as kaepernicks

Way to go out on a limb.

cstgator · 02-04-2013, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by gymgator

If Tebow completed 15% more of his passes, then CK's success would be relevant. His sub 50% completion rate (despite drops & throwing it away to avoid sacks is higher than most) it is still deemed below average for a starting NFL QB.

Jets made it worse, as Sanchez struggles and Tebow STILL isn't used, implies Tebow is worse.

Or it could mean that the Jets didn't want to trot out a QB that wins when wins are irrelevant, thus throwing egg on their collective faces. When Sanchez was sucking all season, there was clamoring for Tebow to replace him, which never happened. Why bring out a possibly effective Tebow that wins meaningless games? All that would do would create more animosity towards the coaching staff and management for not playing him sooner.

cstgator · 02-04-2013, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SwampFox

Aaron is retiring?....lol............sounds like just a different clipboard to carry..........

Well there's only 32 starting positions in the NFL. Being a 2nd or 3rd string QB on a playoff team is not exactly a bad thing. Still better than playing in Canada, only an injury(ies) away from starting.

SwampFox · 02-04-2013, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by cstgator

Well there's only 32 starting positions in the NFL. Being a 2nd or 3rd string QB on a playoff team is not exactly a bad thing. Still better than playing in Canada, only an injury(ies) away from starting.

Tim's a player ...............hard to picture him just being a career backup at a place with a guy he will never supplant except during injury spells, which one never wishes for.

I'd rather see him get a shot elsewhere once the whole "Tebow" thing continues to dissapate and he becomes more of just another guy on the roster, if indeed that could ever happen...

Otherwise, Canada will be his only option I think other than AFL, dare I say..

whitelakegator · 02-04-2013, 07:22 PM

I think he would easily be a back up somewhere. The problem is the all the hoopla he brings...the circus. It would be irrelevant in NO, GB, NE, ATL, etc. There's nothing wrong with being a career back up for 8-10 years. Even at league min you are set for life.

Bazza · 02-04-2013, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SwampFox

Aaron is retiring?....lol............sounds like just a different clipboard to carry..........

SF:

Are you saying a team cannot have more than 1 QB on the depth chart?

Or that Tim cannot play any other position than QB?

Bazza · 02-04-2013, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by whitelakegator

I think he would easily be a back up somewhere. The problem is the all the hoopla he brings...the circus. It would be irrelevant in NO, GB, NE, ATL, etc. There's nothing wrong with being a career back up for 8-10 years. Even at league min you are set for life.

WLG:

Good post - I agree.

This "circus" stigma has been way over-exaggerated.

It was only a "circus" because he was on a team that was run by idiots in a huge market with fans who expected more - especially when their starter lost almost all their games and Tim still stayed on the bench.

He gets on a team with an established "franchise" QB and is utilized properly including good coaching and no more "circus".

Where it goes from there depends.

I don't remember Eli Manning coming into the league as such a great QB. These things take time and being on the right team.

whitelakegator · 02-04-2013, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Bazza

WLG:

Good post - I agree.

This "circus" stigma has been way over-exaggerated.

It was only a "circus" because he was on a team that was run by idiots in a huge market with fans who expected more - especially when their starter lost almost all their games and Tim still stayed on the bench.

He gets on a team with an established "franchise" QB and is utilized properly including good coaching and no more "circus".

Where it goes from there depends.

I don't remember Eli Manning coming into the league as such a great QB. These things take time and being on the right team.

You have all these people demanding Tim a starting spot. There are only 32 and right now...GMs have decided against him starting. It may change. It may not but I'd be surprised if he's not picked up by one of the "set" teams(add Pitt and Ravens to that list). He'll be had for cheap and a Jim Caldwell or Bill B....who knows? I just think he'll land somewhere with a diminished role. but hey, that's ok.

sleeze · 02-04-2013, 11:59 PM

With the Spread option...and the read option in full force with a few teams.

Why wouldn't the Seahawks, 49ers, Panthers, Redskins,,Whoever Michael Vick is playing for,,,at least sign Tebow as a backup.

With teams running there QB more...there going to have to have a backup with the same skillset to run the offense w/o skipping a beat.