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Old 02-03-2013, 10:09 AM   #1
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It is now February 2, 2013, and the media, as far as I can tell, remains totally silent on Natalie Hammond and the other Sandy Hook adult wounded survivor who has never been identified. Not even speculation or a reason (e.g. "they want privacy") has been uttered by any media person of whom I'm aware.

I think this is an excellent example of what I call the Kilgallen Effect. It is named after Dorothy Kilgallen, the journalist who interviewed Jack Ruby during his trial, claimed she was going to blow the lid off the JFK case, and then "committed suicide." I define the Kilgallen Effect as a fear among journalists to try to interview people or otherwise seek exclusive information when it might get the journalists killed. (Or at least fired or professionally ruined.)

The continued silence on the two adult wounded Sandy Hook survivors is therefore not from a complete lack of curiosity in the media, which would make no sense whatsoever from the standpoint of human nature (even cats have curiosity, and what journalist does not want a scoop?), but from fear, which is understandable whether it proves to be justified or not.
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Old 02-03-2013, 10:13 AM   #2
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Good post Coco. Have wondered about these two and why we have not heard. More than meets the eye I would think.
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Old 02-03-2013, 10:19 AM   #3
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By your own terms, it seems hardly an example. These two people do still exist on our mortal plane, yes? Move out and about in the world? They just haven't given any interviews is what it seems like you are saying. Which is... entirely in their discretion. Oughtn't they have died or be actually missing for the putative effect to apply?
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They've seen lawyer's....getting lawsuits, book deals, EXCLUSIVE interviews and movie rights lined up 1st...it's the NEW American way.
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By your own terms, it seems hardly an example. These two people do still exist on our mortal plane, yes? Move out and about in the world? They just haven't given any interviews is what it seems like you are saying. Which is... entirely in their discretion. Oughtn't they have died or be actually missing for the putative effect to apply?
No, you need to go back and read my post.

First of all, we don't know if these people "do still exist" or not. I would assume that Hammond still does, but the other remains unidentified and for all we know could be sleeping with the fishes. I doubt it, but I'd like to know. It's that old human curiosity.

Second, my point is not that they haven't given interviews, it is that no one has tried to interview them. (Why? The Kilgallen Effect.)

Third, the Kilgallen Effect does not mean the two survivors should "have died or be actually missing." Jack Ruby did not die (until his "cancer" got him), it was the interviewer who died.
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They've seen lawyer's....getting lawsuits, book deals, EXCLUSIVE interviews and movie rights lined up 1st...it's the NEW American way.
This is probably the best answer. Of course if this never materializes, I'm sure more questions will arise.
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wish you guys paid as much attention to 9/11, but it was under a Republican's watch...
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They've seen lawyer's....getting lawsuits, book deals, EXCLUSIVE interviews and movie rights lined up 1st...it's the NEW American way.
It will be mighty short books. "I was shot by Adam Lanza. There were no other shooter(s). There is nothing to see here."

Movie producers are already lined up.
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wish you guys paid as much attention to 9/11, but it was under a Republican's watch...
Since I'm obviously included in "you guys," I've paid plenty of attention to 9/11. I'm a card-carrying wacko about it.
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What is the effect you see when people dismiss conspiracy theories out of hand in order to gain or retain the approval of the crowd?
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CoCo, haven't paid much attention to the conspiracy theory, but what does the testimony of the wounded adults offer verses the eyewitness accounts of non-wounded
teachers, etc, assuming that there were some? Not questioning you, but there must have been some eyewitnesses that saw the shooter that weren't shot, no?
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wish you guys paid as much attention to 9/11, but it was under a Republican's watch...
This is a pretty dumb comment and frankly doesn't even make sense. The people who understand that 9/11 was an inside job and "get" how the system works are typically well beyond partisan bickering. You're probably the only exception on the board.

How many 9/11 conspiracy threads have you started?
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What is the effect you see when people dismiss conspiracy theories out of hand in order to gain or retain the approval of the crowd?
It's called the "sheep effect".

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Sheep effect happens when individuals are herded by a mass pressure to perform a specific task. It is the pressure of a group on an individual urging him to imitate others (usually the majority) intuitively without thinking about the action he’s going to make. In other words: “If everybody is doing that, why am I not doing that too? Let’s move with the flow”.

How does a shepherd herd his sheep back to the farm? He just form a small group of sheep, and leave the rest to the “Sheep effect”: all other individual sheep will ask the same question: why am I not following the mass? And they end up all doing the same task: following the group to the farm. It is easy to herd sheep, they have no resistance, there are no rebels.
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They don't need evidence. That's just it. It's the lack of irrefutable, concrete, tangible, visible, self-witnessed evidence that fuels their imagina... er, case.
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CoCo, haven't paid much attention to the conspiracy theory, but what does the testimony of the wounded adults offer verses the eyewitness accounts of non-wounded
teachers, etc, assuming that there were some? Not questioning you, but there must have been some eyewitnesses that saw the shooter that weren't shot, no?
I'm aware of a couple of children who said they saw the "mad man" with guns, one child unidentified and one being quoted by adults. There were supposed to be some surveillance cameras, but we can't even see the video of Lanza shooting his way in the front door. Not even a fake video. (Remember that parking lot shot of the 9/11 plane hitting the Pentagon? Ha ha ha ha.)

What the testimony of the two wounded adults would offer is obviously who shot them. If they saw someone else it obviously explains the curtain of silence around them. If they just saw Lanza, for the life of me I can't understand why the media will not even utter a word about these two witness's continued existence, if only to state they want privacy. If you heard anyone say that (they want privacy), other than some posters here who can't possibly know?

Given our corrupt and criminal government, you will have to excuse me if unexplained curtains of silence make me suspicious. If, as a poster has suggested, the two are holding out for exclusive interviews (i.e. wanting to make quick money off the slaughter of 20 children and 6 teachers at their school), I will be interested in reading them albeit with utter contempt.
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Please link evidence that no one has tried to interview them.
There is no evidence. I don't know how more plainly I can express myself. NO ONE IN THE MEDIA HAS SAID THEY WANT PRIVACY, NO ONE HAS SAID THEY HAVE REQUESTED INTERVIEWS, NO ONE HAS SAID THEY AREN'T GIVING INTERVIEWS, THE MEDIA HAS NOT SAID CRAP. THERE IS UTTER SILENCE, UNLESS YOU HAVE HEARD OTHERWISE.
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They don't need evidence. That's just it. It's the lack of irrefutable, concrete, tangible, visible, self-witnessed evidence that fuels their imagina... er, case.
By any chance, would you happen to have any irrefutable, concrete, tangible, visible evidence that Adam Lanza was the lone gunman responsible for the Sandy Hook shootings?
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It does not seem weird to me that 6 weeks after being seriously wounded in a tragedy of immense proportions a shooting victim isn't hitting the morning talk shows.
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It does not seem weird to me that 6 weeks after being seriously wounded in a tragedy of immense proportions a shooting victim isn't hitting the morning talk shows.
How about a single word about their condition? As far as I am able to determine, no one in the media appears to give a crap, despite spending weeks with everyone else who survived or their families. It's as if only the whole and the dead are important. If you're dying, in serious condition, or just recuperating, you're a non-person.
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