So Major Applewhite hooked up with a student

[Go2gtr]

Originally Posted by LimeyGator

Hmm...







Sheesh. I'm no moral zealot but this bunch of replies is outright embarrassing to me.

"Only" marital infidelity can wreck people's lives. If your viewpoint is that it's nothing to do with the university, I'd contend it is. Not only is he a highly paid professional with standards of conduct that are expected by his employers, doesn't he owe it to his wife to be better than this? "Just" an affair seems to be scraping the barrel of decency to me but perhaps I hold myself to a higher level of accountability.

This 'indiscretion' took place in Fiesta Bowl Week, Jauary 2009. For the record, that is (according to various online sources) the same MONTH his wife gave birth to their daughter Lila. Giving him a pass is disgusting. I don't care how fantastic the guy is off the record - having a fling whilst your wife is 9 months pregnant is about as morally deplorable as I can stomach...

It's the Bill Clinton effect.

"The concept of moral turpitude escapes precise definition but has been described as an "act of baseness, vileness or depravity in the private and social duties which a man owes to his fellowmen, or to society in general, contrary to the accepted and customary rule of right and duty between man and man."[4]

"The classification of a crime or other conduct as constituting moral turpitude has significance in several areas of law. First, prior conviction of a crime of moral turpitude (or in some jurisdictions, moral turpitude conduct, even without a conviction) is considered to have a bearing on the honesty of a witness and may be used for purposes of witness impeachment.[5]

"Second, moral turpitude offenses may be grounds to deny or revoke a professional license such as a teaching credential,[6] license to practice law,[7] or other licensed profession. Third, it is of great importance for immigration purposes, as offenses which are defined as involving moral turpitude are considered bars to immigration into the U.S.[8]" -Wiki.

It is common for employers to include "moral turpitude" provisions in contracts with employees, especially high-profile employees and also employees who have responsibilities overseeing the development of youthful charges of the organization.

His responsibilities include teaching, leading and guiding UT students who are in the care of the University while on athletic scholarship.

To shrug your shoulders and say "who cares?" shows how low the level of moral norms have sunk in society in general.

If Applewhite was the milkman the situation would be different and his moral lapse would be confined to his family. But Applewhite was a teacher and leader of young students.

[maxgator]

Originally Posted by GATORAZ

They just fired Bev Kearney the track and field coach for having sex with a student athlete over a decade ago.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-athletes.html

That student was on the track team she coached.

[Tebowism0823]

Originally Posted by Go2gtr

It's the Bill Clinton effect.

"The concept of moral turpitude escapes precise definition but has been described as an "act of baseness, vileness or depravity in the private and social duties which a man owes to his fellowmen, or to society in general, contrary to the accepted and customary rule of right and duty between man and man."[4]

"The classification of a crime or other conduct as constituting moral turpitude has significance in several areas of law. First, prior conviction of a crime of moral turpitude (or in some jurisdictions, moral turpitude conduct, even without a conviction) is considered to have a bearing on the honesty of a witness and may be used for purposes of witness impeachment.[5]

"Second, moral turpitude offenses may be grounds to deny or revoke a professional license such as a teaching credential,[6] license to practice law,[7] or other licensed profession. Third, it is of great importance for immigration purposes, as offenses which are defined as involving moral turpitude are considered bars to immigration into the U.S.[8]" -Wiki.

It is common for employers to include "moral turpitude" provisions in contracts with employees, especially high-profile employees and also employees who have responsibilities overseeing the development of youthful charges of the organization.

His responsibilities include teaching, leading and guiding UT students who are in the care of the University while on athletic scholarship.

To shrug your shoulders and say "who cares?" shows how low the level of moral norms have sunk in society in general.

If Applewhite was the milkman the situation would be different and his moral lapse would be confined to his family. But Applewhite was a teacher and leader of young students.

No, he was a coach for athletes of the football team. Had it not been married and been having a relationship with this person it wouldn't be an issue. That's the point. He's a dick for cheating but that's it.

Has nothing to do with sunken morals. Now had we said who cares if he cheated, well then I'd agree with you. However nobody said that.

[NoahBeanBizzel]

Originally Posted by LimeyGator

Hmm...







Sheesh. I'm no moral zealot but this bunch of replies is outright embarrassing to me.

"Only" marital infidelity can wreck people's lives. If your viewpoint is that it's nothing to do with the university, I'd contend it is. Not only is he a highly paid professional with standards of conduct that are expected by his employers, doesn't he owe it to his wife to be better than this? "Just" an affair seems to be scraping the barrel of decency to me but perhaps I hold myself to a higher level of accountability.

This 'indiscretion' took place in Fiesta Bowl Week, Jauary 2009. For the record, that is (according to various online sources) the same MONTH his wife gave birth to their daughter Lila. Giving him a pass is disgusting. I don't care how fantastic the guy is off the record - having a fling whilst your wife is 9 months pregnant is about as morally deplorable as I can stomach...

Ah, but remember this: what's wrong in one man's eyes, may actually be right in another's. Isn't the difference between right and wrong merely an interpretation of how one individual chooses to discern a situation, allowing he/she to do what (conveniently) works for them? For a second, many on this board had me thinking "right" and "wrong" is all relative to what each of us prefers.

What exactly is a higher level of accountability? It sounds a lot more like selectively playing the moral card where one may feel it applies, but that couldn't be the case. Or could it?

[Tebowism0823]

Originally Posted by GCNumber7

These coaches are public figures and represent the university. The standard is a little different than any Joe Blow.

I guess I don't see your point. I think we all agree he was wrong for cheating on his wife. However, if he wasn't married he wouldn't be in the wrong. Do you agree or not agree.

[maxgator]

Originally Posted by Tebowism0823

I guess I don't see your point. I think we all agree he was wrong for cheating on his wife. However, if he wasn't married he wouldn't be in the wrong. Do you agree or not agree.

I would have to see pictures to decide . . .

[GCNumber7]

Originally Posted by Tebowism0823

I guess I don't see your point. I think we all agree he was wrong for cheating on his wife. However, if he wasn't married he wouldn't be in the wrong. Do you agree or not agree.

Yeeeeeah, but he is married. My point was that these are not random people. They to a certain extent represent the university. And when they make poor choices, their employers have every right to be concerned.

[Go2gtr]

Originally Posted by Tebowism0823

No, he was a coach for athletes of the football team. Had it not been married and been having a relationship with this person it wouldn't be an issue. That's the point. He's a dick for cheating but that's it.

Has nothing to do with sunken morals. Now had we said who cares if he cheated, well then I'd agree with you. However nobody said that.

A coach teaches. No matter how you slice it they do. They get up in a traditional classroom setting in front of a room full of students sitting in desks and teach them how to play football. They also teach them on the practice field and now more than ever teach them about life and how to conduct themselves away from football.

This post reminds me of someone covering his ears and just yelling LALALALALA.

[LimeyGator]

Originally Posted by NoahBeanBizzel

Ah, but remember this: what's wrong in one man's eyes, may actually be right in another's. Isn't the difference between right and wrong merely an interpretation of how one individual chooses to discern a situation, allowing he/she to do what (conveniently) works for them? For a second, many on this board had me thinking "right" and "wrong" is all relative to what each of us prefers.

What exactly is a higher level of accountability? It sounds a lot more like selectively playing the moral card where one may feel it applies, but that couldn't be the case. Or could it?

Higher level of accountability in that I don't deem it acceptable to cheat on my wife. Some seemed to be insinuating it wasn't that big of a deal.

IMO there are NO extenuating circumstances for cheating on your wife. It's even more scum-ridden while she's 9 months pregnant.

The message is pretty simple. No need to overcomplicate my viewpoint.

[gandergator]

If you are dishonest and have no class in your home life, you will do the same in your professional life.

[Go2gtr]

Originally Posted by gandergator

If you are dishonest and have no class in your home life, you will do the same in your professional life.

That's why moral turpitude provisions exist in contracts with certain employees. The organization has a legitimate concern with this issue. Like it or not.

[Matthanuf06]

Originally Posted by LimeyGator

Higher level of accountability in that I don't deem it acceptable to cheat on my wife. Some seemed to be insinuating it wasn't that big of a deal.

IMO there are NO extenuating circumstances for cheating on your wife. It's even more scum-ridden while she's 9 months pregnant.

The message is pretty simple. No need to overcomplicate my viewpoint.

Nobody is saying that cheating is no big deal. What we are saying is a coach having a relationship with a student, especially an older one, is not a big deal.

[palmbayed]

I knew this would turn into a political thread, what does Bill Clinton have to do with it ?Its not like he left his wife when she was dying of cancer(Newt Gingrich)

[LimeyGator]

Originally Posted by Matthanuf06

Nobody is saying that cheating is no big deal. What we are saying is a coach having a relationship with a student, especially an older one, is not a big deal.

Then I stand corrected.

[Matthanuf06]

Originally Posted by Go2gtr

A coach teaches. No matter how you slice it they do. They get up in a traditional classroom setting in front of a room full of students sitting in desks and teach them how to play football. They also teach them on the practice field and now more than ever teach them about life and how to conduct themselves away from football.

This post reminds me of someone covering his ears and just yelling LALALALALA.

And there is no chance he'd be "teaching" this student. These are adults.

So you are saying it would be improper, assuming you are not married, that you went back to school and randomly met a lady in the library, grocery store, or match.com and then you found out she's a member of the faculty at the school. And of course assuming she has a 0% chance of ever teaching you.

To me it is only improper if the faculty member had some position of power over the student. Whether that is the students teacher, senior leadership in the students department, etc. If there is zero conflict of interest it isn't any different than dating someone from the local marketing firm.

[Tebowism0823]

Originally Posted by maxgator

I would have to see pictures to decide . . .

I was waiting for that comment

[Tebowism0823]

Originally Posted by Go2gtr

A coach teaches. No matter how you slice it they do. They get up in a traditional classroom setting in front of a room full of students sitting in desks and teach them how to play football. They also teach them on the practice field and now more than ever teach them about life and how to conduct themselves away from football.

This post reminds me of someone covering his ears and just yelling LALALALALA.

You're confusing the term teaching with coaching. Other then being married he did nothing wrong. Two consenting adults are just that.

As far as your last sentence, I don't know what to tell you there. The same could be said about your post.

[NoahBeanBizzel]

Originally Posted by LimeyGator

Then I stand corrected.

The British sense of humor is by far and away the best, hands down.

[Tebowism0823]

Originally Posted by palmbayed

I knew this would turn into a political thread, what does Bill Clinton have to do with it ?Its not like he left his wife when she was dying of cancer(Newt Gingrich)

For some its their only retort.

[gator1986]

I think it's awesome. I won't lie if I was a coach I would probably end up doing the same thing.