Reality Check: Cons, do you deny FOX's bias? Libs, do you admit everyone else's?

[DaveFla]

C'mon, MJW... The press has no motive in this...

[vertigo0923]

no. fox is right biased, and msnbc is left balanced. the others? just cuz you don't 'like' the news doesn't mean it's biased.

[DaveFla]

Originally Posted by vertigo0923

no. fox is right biased, and msnbc is left balanced. the others? just cuz you don't 'like' the news doesn't mean it's biased.

You just proved my point. Thanks vert. I knew I could count on you.

[g8orbill]

Good one

[vertigo0923]

And what point was that, Dave? I've always said msnbc "leaned left" and Fox goes right. Other news organizations try to remain impartial and simply report the news, which is NOT biased simply because your side finds itself constantly doing or saying dumb things that can't help but stir negative responses, except by Fox, which is admittedly a "right wing propaganda channel"

[g8orbill]

other news organizations try to remain impartial?-

[altalias]

I don't watch TV so I can't comment but I did notice extreme bias last week in the MSM. Next week the Boy Scouts are deciding about dropping their ban on scout leaders. I have read many interviews if present day scouts. There was one den (?) that decided to defy the ban. Only one parent objected and pulled their son out. They are from all accounts the ONLY family, troup, or leader in the entire country that objects to this change in policy. This is amazing because I know that a majority of scouting in my area is sponsored by churches that would not tolerate the change. The MSM is trying to construct a reality that does not exist at least in print.

[FlyingGatorII]

Originally Posted by DaveFla

I'd say that this is about right.

Interesting articles below for those interested about media bias in general.

Here’s how 20 major media outlets rank on Groseclose and Milyo’s slant scale, with 100 representing the most liberal and zero the most conservative:

ABC Good Morning America
56.1

ABC World News Tonight
61.0

CBS Early Show
66.6

CBS Evening News
73.7

CNN NewsNight
56.0

Drudge Report
60.4

Fox News Spec. Rept. w/ Brit Hume
39.7

Los Angeles Times
70.0

NBC Nightly News
61.6

NBC Today Show
64.0

New York Times
73.7

Newshour with Jim Lehrer
55.8

Newsweek
66.3

NPR Morning Edition
66.3

Time Magazine
65.4

U.S. News and World Report
65.8

USA Today
63.4

Wall Street Journal
85.1

Washington Post
66.6

Washington Times
35.4



http://archive.frontpagemag.com/read...px?ARTID=32928

http://archive.mrc.org/biasbasics/pdf/BiasBasics.pdf

[DaveFla]

Originally Posted by vertigo0923

And what point was that, Dave? I've always said msnbc "leaned left" and Fox goes right. Other news organizations try to remain impartial and simply report the news, which is NOT biased simply because your side finds itself constantly doing or saying dumb things that can't help but stir negative responses, except by Fox, which is admittedly a "right wing propaganda channel"

No... This one, from the OP:

Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveFla
I don't know of ANY FOX News viewers who claim FOX isn't biased. OTOH, there are MANY from the left who insist CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, MSNBC etc. are not biased.

Again, thanks.

[108]

Originally Posted by MichaelJoeWilliamson

Whether true or not?


FOX had a brilliant business strategy; fill a huge void and present strong editorial conservative views.

That the editorial content of FOX is conservative, there is no doubt. That said, at one time several studies have noticed its news sections lean every so slightly left.

Fox no doubt wins the war of filling the void of those who need to hear a biased talking heads conservative opinion on an issue

But Fox gets way too much credit for it

Conservatives do not want to hear neutral or opposite viewpoints, and more than others they need confirmation bias

So much for the "free thinkers" claim

[DaveFla]

Fox presents people who are contrary to their points by FAR more often than any other network.

Yes, fox leans right, but they also present contrary views more than anyone else.

They've hired Dennis Kucinich for God's sake.

[MichaelJoeWilliamson]

Originally Posted by 108

Fox no doubt wins the war of filling the void of those who need to hear a biased talking heads conservative opinion on an issue

As opposed to those that "need to hear a biased talking heads liberal opinion on an issue?"

Conservatives do not want to hear neutral or opposite viewpoints, and more than others they need confirmation bias

And liberals do?

You imply that liberals are tolerant of opposing opinions? If so, then let's discuss it.

[g8orbill]

nm

[magnafides]

Originally Posted by FlyingGatorII

Drudge Report
60.4

And we're supposed to take this seriously?

[co_gator89]

You will find bias in just about every media outlet except maybe for C-SPAN which is unconscionably boring. All that said, I think Fox News would catch a little less crap if they would drop the laughable "fair and balanced" line.

[FlyingGatorII]

Originally Posted by magnafides

And we're supposed to take this seriously?

Sure. You have to understand that the study looked at the sourcing for the stories produced. Since Drudge is actually a blog that just writes headlines that are linked to stories from all over than globe, many of them from liberal sources, it shows the bias as more liberal than conservative. Now Drudge uses many liberal sources to prove conservative points which explains the ranking. Make sense now?

[magnafides]

Sure, but then the rankings don't actually measure slant, as you suggest.

[FlyingGatorII]

Originally Posted by magnafides

Sure, but then the rankings don't actually measure slant, as you suggest.

Drudge is just one on the list and maybe the only real blog. The others are actual media that publish and broadcast stories based on their own sources such as The Heritage Foundation, The NAACP, Planned Parenthood, etc. If you want to throw out the whole study due to Drudge's ranking then it sounds like your own bias maybe a problem as well. I think it is a pretty good way to rank slant bias. Maybe you have a better way?

[magnafides]

Any "study" that classifies Drudge as liberal shouldn't be taken seriously, that's exactly what I'm saying.

[rivergator]

Originally Posted by magnafides

Any "study" that classifies Drudge as liberal shouldn't be taken seriously, that's exactly what I'm saying.

exactly. it's absurd.