Reality Check: Cons, do you deny FOX's bias? Libs, do you admit everyone else's?

[MastaG8r]

Our friend Dave made the following comment in another thread:

Originally Posted by DaveFla

I don't know of ANY FOX News viewers who claim FOX isn't biased. OTOH, there are MANY from the left who insist CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, MSNBC etc. are not biased.

One of our Liberal friends challenged him on that, so let's put it to a Too Hot test.

Are there any Conservative posters here who deny that by and large FOX News has an obvious Right Wing bias, despite the fact that they often have on panelists who present and defend the Liberal point of view?

Conversely are there any Liberal posters here who will admit that with the exception of FOX News, the rest of the TV news media tends to be biased to the Left?

[AzCatFan]

From left to right, in terms of bias, I'd say the chart goes something like this:

NBC-CBS/ABC-----CNN------------(middle)--------------------------Fox

[wgbgator]

Fox's (and to a lesser extent other conservative media outlets) raison d'etre involves the idea that there is a "liberal" bias in all other media, whether it is true or not.

[MastaG8r]

Originally Posted by AzCatFan

From left to right, in terms of bias, I'd say the chart goes something like this:

NBC-CBS/ABC-----CNN------------(middle)--------------------------Fox

Not bad, but I'd do it something like this to include MSNBC and PBS:

MSNBC-----------------PBS------NBC/CBS/ABC---CNN----------( middle )------------------------------FOX News

[MastaG8r]

What's really funny is for people to deny that NBC is biased, in spite of all the personnel crossover with sister network MSNBC.

It would be like if the regular FOX TV entertainment network had a nightly evening news broadcast like NBC does, and intermingled reporters, stories and footage with the FOX News network like NBC does with MSNBC, and then tried to claim that the nightly FOX TV news was "straight news" and not at all biased like over on the news network. Gimme a break.

[gatorman_07732]

Just to claify, are you talking about hard news or as a whole

[JohnC1908]

I'd put CSPAN in the middle.

[108]

Originally Posted by MastaG8r

Not bad, but I'd do it something like this to include MSNBC and PBS:

MSNBC-----------------PBS------NBC/CBS/ABC---CNN----------( middle )------------------------------FOX News

while PBS is no doubt run by "leftist", i wouldn't put PBS that far to the left, they are often the least opinionated news source

Broadcast news stations rarely give opinions in their 30 minute news cycles, and as far as their Sunday news shows, it actually favors conservatives (can link that if you'd like)

Fox and MSNBC are unapologetic in their bias, though I think Fox still beats them when it comes to participating in stories itself


that being said, you do a disservice to yourself by consistently listening to these political talking heads who first and foremost are chasing dollars and ratings. It makes it harder and harder to keep your mind open.

[MastaG8r]

Originally Posted by 108

while PBS is no doubt run by "leftist", i wouldn't put PBS that far to the left, they are often the least opinionated news source

Broadcast news stations rarely give opinions in their 30 minute news cycles, and as far as their Sunday news shows, it actually favors conservatives (can link that if you'd like)

Fox and MSNBC are unapologetic in their bias, though I think Fox still beats them when it comes to participating in stories itself


that being said, you do a disservice to yourself by consistently listening to these political talking heads who first and foremost are chasing dollars and ratings. It makes it harder and harder to keep your mind open.

I do know what you're saying about PBS - compared to other networks their presentation style is relatively no-frills and low-key, definitely a lot less sensationalistic, and that does give the impression of them being less "opinionated." But the subtly of their bias makes it more insidious IMO. Taking the tone out of the equation and focusing on the content I find PBS - and NPR even more so - to be to the left of the "Big 3" networks but not out on the fringe with MSNBC.

I disagree that FOX beats MSNBC in the extent of their bias, if that's what you were saying. MSNBC is worse. Just look at these five examples in this thread. That's really heinous.

Also disagree about doing myself a disservice by watching the "talking heads." I tend to get my take on the facts of current events by reading articles online during the day, usually just off whatever links are on the Google or Yahoo news pages, and Drudge Report.

In the evenings (although not so much anymore, with the election season being over) I enjoy watching the analysis of the day's events by opinion commentators on FOX as well as MSNBC. It's entertaining. I don't feel shortchanged in any regard. If I got all my information exclusively from watching FOX or from any one source than obviously you'd have a point, but that's not the case.

[108]

Originally Posted by MastaG8r

I do know what you're saying about PBS - compared to other networks their presentation style is relatively no-frills and low-key, definitely a lot less sensationalistic, and that does give the impression of them being less "opinionated." But the subtly of their bias makes it more insidious IMO. Taking the tone out of the equation and focusing on the content I find PBS - and NPR even more so - to be to the left of the "Big 3" networks but not out on the fringe with MSNBC.

I disagree that FOX beats MSNBC in the extent of their bias, if that's what you were saying. MSNBC is worse. Just look at these five examples in this thread. That's really heinous.

Also disagree about doing myself a disservice by watching the "talking heads." I tend to get my take on the facts of current events by reading articles online during the day, usually just off whatever links are on the Google or Yahoo news pages, and Drudge Report.

In the evenings (although not so much anymore, with the election season being over) I enjoy watching the analysis of the day's events by opinion commentators on FOX as well as MSNBC. It's entertaining. I don't feel shortchanged in any regard. If I got all my information exclusively from watching FOX or from any one source than obviously you'd have a point, but that's not the case.

you don't really think its only MSNBC that has a record of doing those type things do you? Fox has been caught doing it for years, and MSNBC is actually late to the game

we'll have to agree to disagree about the PBS/NPR and the broadcast channels...while they may be run by liberals, i don't agree that in practice, they show noticeable bias

but whatever, i don't care about these channels so im not going to argue about them

[G8trGr8t]

Originally Posted by MastaG8r

Not bad, but I'd do it something like this to include MSNBC and PBS:

MSNBC-----------------PBS------NBC/CBS/ABC---CNN----------( middle )------------------------------FOX News

Agreed. Put CNBC in the middle for the most part

[fredsanford]

Reality has a well know liberal bias. The proof of that was in the presidential polling last November.

Conservatives preferred unskewed (translation: skewed away from Dems) polls because they told them what they wanted to hear, which is what they are used to from the fact-free, conserva-bubble they live inside.

[bluelang]

One of the issues with this whole "liberal bias" thing about mainstream brodcast (NBC/CBS/ABC) news that the people labeling it as liberal are usually very, very far to the right.

MSNBC is a garbage rag. So is Fox. CNN's political coverage tends to be neutral, but their commentators may not.

The main thing with Fox is that it is 99% commentary and 1% coverage. It's an opinion channel, not a news channel.

[regurgigator]

Originally Posted by MastaG8r

Not bad, but I'd do it something like this to include MSNBC and PBS:

MSNBC-----------------PBS------NBC/CBS/ABC---CNN----------( middle )------------------------------FOX News

As a conservative who enjoys Fox News (as well as the major network news broadcasts and CNN), I agree with that also. I think CBS Evening News is a little less liberal than NBC and ABC.

I will say I like George Stephanopoulos despite his liberal leanings. And, I used to like Charles Gibson even more despite the idiotic gotcha question he posed about the non-existent "Bush Doctrine." But, for the most part Gibson seemed to be a "salt of the earth" no-pretense guy.

[MichaelJoeWilliamson]

Originally Posted by wgbgator

Fox's (and to a lesser extent other conservative media outlets) raison d'etre involves the idea that there is a "liberal" bias in all other media, whether it is true or not.

Whether true or not?


FOX had a brilliant business strategy; fill a huge void and present strong editorial conservative views.

That the editorial content of FOX is conservative, there is no doubt. That said, at one time several studies have noticed its news sections lean every so slightly left.

[secgator]

Originally Posted by regurgigator

As a conservative who enjoys Fox News (as well as the major network news broadcasts and CNN), I agree with that also. I think CBS Evening News is a little less liberal than NBC and ABC.

I will say I like George Stephanopoulos despite his liberal leanings. And, I used to like Charles Gibson even more despite the idiotic gotcha question he posed about the non-existent "Bush Doctrine." But, for the most part Gibson seemed to be a "salt of the earth" no-pretense guy.

I agree with you on the CBS remark. While I absolutely refuse (with extreme prejudice) to watch NBC anymore, I do find myself bouncing back and forth between ABC and CBS and have found CBS to be more towards the center than ABC. In all honesty, CBS has been one of the cutting edge networks in breaking stories which expose some of the shortcomings (too many to expose them all) of the Obama regime. I recall that Sharyl Atkinson(sp) was the one who broke the Banghazi cluster-F. I may be wrong on that but I do seem to remember it that way. Plus, there have been other stories they have had first as well, just can't remember them all.

MSNBC---good God, there has NEVER been a more slanted, outright disgusting group of warped individuals to call themselves anchors, reporters, journalists, etc in the history of reporting or broadcasting. But then--their ratings substantiate that so no surprise really.

[ncgatr1]

FOX has no other choice but to go hard right and attempt to offset the other news networks. I think if the liberal media were more objective, FOX would soften their hard right stance, but unfortunately that will never happen considering the shift in demographics.

[magnafides]

Originally Posted by ncgatr1

FOX has no other choice but to go hard right and attempt to offset the other news networks. I think if the liberal media were more objective, FOX would soften their hard right stance, but unfortunately that will never happen considering the shift in demographics.

There is ZERO chance they go soft. Sensationalism gets ratings.

[DaveFla]

Originally Posted by MastaG8r

Not bad, but I'd do it something like this to include MSNBC and PBS:

MSNBC-----------------PBS------NBC/CBS/ABC---CNN----------( middle )------------------------------FOX News

I'd say that this is about right.

[MichaelJoeWilliamson]

Here is another example;

Here’s the current Associated Press report:

Dykes was known in the neighborhood as a menacing figure who neighbors said once beat a dog to death with a lead pipe, threatened to shoot children for setting foot on his property and patrolled his yard at night with a flashlight and an assault rifle.

Here’s the earlier story:

Dykes was known around the neighborhood as a menacing figure who once beat a dog to death with a lead pipe, threatened to shoot children for setting foot on his property and patrolled his yard at night with a flashlight and a shotgun.

Yes, the Associated Press has been caught red-handed changing “shotgun” to “assault rifle” in their reporting.

Since the beginning of the standoff (example) it has been reported only that Dykes has been armed with a shotgun when patrolling his property. The morphing of the shotgun into an assault rifle seems to have happened within the past four hours.

Update: Without noting that they’ve made a correction of any kind, the story has changed again:

Dykes was known around the neighborhood as a menacing figure who neighbors said once beat a dog to death with a lead pipe, threatened to shoot children for setting foot on his property and patrolled his yard at night with a flashlight and a firearm.

It’s just too bad for them that screen caps never die.

Funny how these "mistakes" always favor liberal points of view.

http://www.bob-owens.com/2013/02/red...tage-standoff/