Good ol' MSNBC, or, "As if there was any doubt regarding media bias" v2.0

[secgator]

Originally Posted by MastaG8r

I just...I don't...I can't even...

Oh my goodness.

Really???

Yes Masta....the libs really DO believe those things to be true.

Unfathomable and arrogant I know, but we have to accept them for the way they are.

And offer up some sympathy as well---for it surely must be an affliction they can't control.

[MastaG8r]

Originally Posted by dangolegators

So you're upset that she didn't apologize to McCain because some local TV station might have edited the clip to make McCain look bad?

Does Hannity apologize to liberals when he himself edits video out of context to make them look bad? Does Hannity even admit, as Maddow did, that the video is edited?

Upset? I can promise you then when an insufferable snark peddler like Rachel Maddow presents a gift-wrapped opportunity to goof on her, I'm the opposite of upset.

Maddow aired a video clip for the sole purpose of making a single point - that John McCain was rude and insensitive to a constituent who was the mother of a shooting victim. However the clip was edited in a misleading way to falsely create that impression. Maddow admitted that after showing the clip...but without conceding the point. What the......

Should she have apologized for showing the clip? Well, I guess not. Obviously it wouldn't be sincere since she wasn't sorry for doing it. No, I suppose what she should have done...if she was an honest broadcaster...was not show the video in the first place, and not make an invalid point based on phony evidence.

I'm not sure what Sean Hannity has to do with the price of tea in China. This is a thread about MSNBC. And as you already stated in post #55, you agree with the central thesis of it.

Originally Posted by dangolegators

I agree with Masta. MSNBC sucks.

[dangolegators]

Yes, I am no fan of MSNBC. But given that Fox has been extensively discussed in this thread, Sean Hannity has plenty to do with 'the price of tea in China' (god that's a dumb cliche). So why don't you go ahead and answer the question about Hannity rather than evade it.

[wygator]

One thing you consistently see on the Fox evening commentary shows is legitimate debate between liberals and conservatives, Dems and Pubs, however you want to say it.

Fox puts liberals on for one and one debates with their hosts and always includes them in panels.

MSNBC is an echo chamber that rarely interviews conservatives on their shows. I think that's the main reason Fox is more trusted, though they lean right.

Fox's primary newscaster, Shepard Smith, is considered liberal while host Geraldo Rivera is liberal and John Stossel is libertarian. How many genuine conservative hosts does MSNBC have?

[rivergator]

Originally Posted by wygator

One thing you consistently see on the Fox evening commentary shows is legitimate debate between liberals and conservatives, Dems and Pubs, however you want to say it.

Fox puts liberals on for one and one debates with their hosts and always includes them in panels.

MSNBC is an echo chamber that rarely interviews conservatives on their shows. I think that's the main reason Fox is more trusted, though they lean right.

Fox's primary newscaster, Shepard Smith, is considered liberal while host Geraldo Rivera is liberal and John Stossel is libertarian. How many genuine conservative hosts does MSNBC have?

That's simply absurd. Pretty much every point there.

[secgator]

Originally Posted by rivergator

That's simply absurd. Pretty much every point there.

Explain how that is absurd river. How would you know since it is a network you don't like or ever acknowledge as being accurate on pretty much any topic or level?

Do you even watch FOX....ever? Shep is most definitely a left leaner--Geraldo is without question a lib...and John Stossel is indeed a libertarian. Take to the time to watch sometimes and see that FOX does bring on liberals in many of their discussions, whereas MSNBC is almost full on nutjob leaning.

If you don't want to watch FOX, I understand. If you don't trust wygator's comments you can always ask one of your own--fred. He is obsessed with Bush, wealth, and FOX news so maybe you can get some insight from him for verification.

[MastaG8r]

Originally Posted by dangolegators

Yes, I am no fan of MSNBC. But given that Fox has been extensively discussed in this thread, Sean Hannity has plenty to do with 'the price of tea in China' (god that's a dumb cliche). So why don't you go ahead and answer the question about Hannity rather than evade it.

I don't care if Hannity has been discussed or not, I'm not obligated to participate in anybody's thread hijacking. This is a thread about the false misleading tactics of your Liberal pals at MSNBC. As you said, they suck. Thanks for acknowledging the validity of the point of the thread. Feel free to start your own thread listing all the deliberately-misleading threads Hannity has aired, or the whole FOX Network for that matter. You got a lot of catching up to do so run along and get busy.

[MastaG8r]

Originally Posted by rivergator

That's simply absurd. Pretty much every point there

Pretty much, huh? So which point was not absurd then? Pretty much is something less than all.

[dangolegators]

Originally Posted by MastaG8r

I don't care if Hannity has been discussed or not, I'm not obligated to participate in anybody's thread hijacking. This is a thread about the false misleading tactics of your Liberal pals at MSNBC. As you said, they suck. Thanks for acknowledging the validity of the point of the thread. Feel free to start your own thread listing all the deliberately-misleading threads Hannity has aired, or the whole FOX Network for that matter. You got a lot of catching up to do so run along and get busy.

Well earlier in the thread you said this:

Originally Posted by MastaG8r

No I will not admit it. I don't know that to be true. Obviously Media Matters is constantly complaining about FOX's Right-Wing spin on everything but I am not aware that within the past few years - because we're talking about the present state of things - FOX has been accused of as many as five different occurrences of the MSNBC-type shenanigans documented in this thread. If you've got recent examples of FOX running a misleading video followed by critical commentary about the phony, trumped-up controversial issue, by all means bust em' out and I'll admit that FOX does it too.

So if anyone hijacked your thread, you did, by asking us to post examples of Fox running misleading video. Rather than start my own thread, I'm going to go ahead and do what you asked for in this one.

So let's start with this one. Hannity took a clip of Obama where he said “Under the tax plan passed by the last administration, taxes are scheduled to go up substantially next year, for everybody. By the way, this was by design.”

Hannity edited out all of it except for 'taxes are scheduled to go up substantially next year'.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/09/1...ptive-editing/

What do you think? Is this "misleading video followed (and preceded) by critical commentary"?

[MastaG8r]

Originally Posted by dangolegators

Well earlier in the thread you said this:



So if anyone hijacked your thread, you did, by asking us to post examples of Fox running misleading video. Rather than start my own thread, I'm going to go ahead and do what you asked for in this one.

So let's start with this one. Hannity took a clip of Obama where he said “Under the tax plan passed by the last administration, taxes are scheduled to go up substantially next year, for everybody. By the way, this was by design.”

Hannity edited out all of it except for 'taxes are scheduled to go up substantially next year'.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/09/1...ptive-editing/

What do you think? Is this "misleading video followed (and preceded) by critical commentary"?

Yes it is, that's a pretty good example of it. And from the link it appears that even CNN called Hannity out for it. So since CNN is an objective, non-biased news organization and they called out Hannity for airing a misleadingly-edited video, I'm sure you'll have no trouble producing links to CNN calling out MSNBC for doing it numerous times as well.

When you're done with that your next assignment is to find some more examples of it from FOX. I changed my mind - I forbid you from starting a new thread about it. You may only post them here. Then we can keep a running tally of who does it most. Understand? Good. Now carry out my orders.

[dangolegators]

Ok, so here's the one where Hannity used crowd footage from a different demonstration to make Michelle Bachmann's rally look like more people were there.

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiw...sts-sean-hanni

[rivergator]

Originally Posted by dangolegators

Ok, so here's the one where Hannity used crowd footage from a different demonstration to make Michelle Bachmann's rally look like more people were there.

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiw...sts-sean-hanni

Fox also used 2008 campaign footage to claim Palin was still drawing huge crowds a year later.

And to show how bad the protests were in Russia, Fox used video of much worse riots ... in Greece.

It showed a video of Obama speaking to the cadets at West Point, but edited out their applause.

[DaveFla]

Or, at the very least, so says MediaMatters...

[rivergator]

Originally Posted by DaveFla

Or, at the very least, so says MediaMatters...

which one do you want to challenge? go ahead, pick one and let's see if I can illustrate it without Media Matters.
My guess is that you won't, because you know I can.

[MastaG8r]

Originally Posted by rivergator

which one do you want to challenge? go ahead, pick one and let's see if I can illustrate it without Media Matters.
My guess is that you won't, because you know I can.

I'm not "challenging" your claim but you need to post the links so we can keep track of which network has done this the most. Nobody is going to take anybody's word for it.

There are five or maybe six linked examples in this thread of MSNBC airing video clips that were edited to create a false impression, and one where Hannity on FOX cut off part of a comment 0bama made which would've given more context. So far MSNBC is losing the contest badly so get busy.

[rivergator]

Originally Posted by MastaG8r

I'm not "challenging" your claim but you need to post the links so we can keep track of which network has done this the most. Nobody is going to take anybody's word for it.

There are five or maybe six linked examples in this thread of MSNBC airing video clips that were edited to create a false impression, and one where Hannity on FOX cut off part of a comment 0bama made which would've given more context. So far MSNBC is losing the contest badly so get busy.

that's assuming you ignore all the others that Hannity has done.

[MastaG8r]

Originally Posted by dangolegators

Ok, so here's the one where Hannity used crowd footage from a different demonstration to make Michelle Bachmann's rally look like more people were there.

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiw...sts-sean-hanni

Yep, that's a pretty good one too. Looks like Hannity mixed in footage from a very, very well-attended Tea Party rally while discussing a smaller healthcare reform rally that Bachmann was involved in, creating the impression that her rally had big huge crowds like the Tea Party one did. Fair to declare shenanigans on Hannity for that one. However MSNBC is still winning the most-misleading cable news network contest in both quality and quantity, so get back to work and bring us some more.

[MastaG8r]

Originally Posted by rivergator

that's assuming you ignore all the others that Hannity has done.

I haven't ignored anything anyone has posted yet, as long as it had a link to back it up. Sorry but when you post a comment like, "That's simply absurd. Pretty much every point there," as you did in response to wygator's post, and then fail to back up your accusation when challenged to do so, you demonstrate that you're not the kind of poster who deserves the benefit of the doubt. Links, please.

[rivergator]

Originally Posted by MastaG8r

I haven't ignored anything anyone has posted yet, as long as it had a link to back it up. Sorry but when you post a comment like, "That's simply absurd. Pretty much every point there," as you did in response to wygator's post, and then fail to back up your accusation when challenged to do so, you demonstrate that you're not the kind of poster who deserves the benefit of the doubt. Links, please.

so the one with the link about Hannity switching the footage on the protest doesn't count? let me guess why? Umm, you're pretending it didn't happen?

[MastaG8r]

Originally Posted by rivergator

so the one with the link about Hannity switching the footage on the protest doesn't count? let me guess why? Umm, you're pretending it didn't happen?

Wow you made yourself look pretty stupid with that post, didn't you? Check post #97. I accept your anticipated apology.