Good ol' MSNBC, or, "As if there was any doubt regarding media bias" v2.0

[fredsanford]

Why are people talking about MSNBC's night time hosts as if they are anything but commentators? They are no different than O'Reilly, Hannity, et al.

[PIMking]

too bad no "assault" style weapon was used in the shooting that tragically took his sons life.

[gatorman_07732]

Originally Posted by fredsanford

Why are people talking about MSNBC's night time hosts as if they are anything but commentators? They are no different than O'Reilly, Hannity, et al.

Well there is a difference shab, nobody watches them

[MastaG8r]

Originally Posted by fredsanford

Why are people talking about MSNBC's night time hosts as if they are anything but commentators? They are no different than O'Reilly, Hannity, et al.

Who said they were something other than commentators? In any event, they're not the topic of the post. It's about MSNBC deliberately editing news footage to misleadingly portray Conservative figures or issues in a negative light. Any comment on that, other than predictably claiming that "FOX does it too" but then failing to produce examples comparable to what MSNBC has done?

[rivergator]

Originally Posted by MastaG8r

Kinda screwed what one? You mean the nonsensical, petulant thrashing around on the floor you've been doing in response to this thread undermining your quixotic little campaign against FOX News? That one? That...tantrum?

The subject of the thread is the latest evidence that MSNBC's Liberal bias is more egregiously blatant than the Conservative bias on FOX that you and other Libs on the forum regularly harp on. Your response? To question whether Chris Matthews is really a Conservative or not, as if that has anything to do with the price of tea in China.

First of all it's a totally ridiculous question, made all the more ridiculous by your admission (or more likely, false claim) that you don't watch Chris Matthews. EVERYBODY knows the guy is as Liberal as they come, but since he's apparently committed the unpardonable offense of occasionally saying something nice about a Republican or critical of a Democrat, as far as you're concerned his Liberal Card is revoked. Absurd.

And to cap it off, you demand names of Conservatives who have made favorable comments about Democrats, as if that somehow supports your denial of Chris Matthews' Liberalism. It doesn't. Just to humor you I name Chris Christie, and you predictably deny that he's a Conservative.

So in rivergator's world, Chris Matthews is not a Liberal and Chris Christie is not a Conservative.

The former may have had a kind word for a Republican or a critique of a Democrat from time to time, but that makes him no less of a flaming, far-Left Liberal. And the latter may be a disloyal Republican for his passive-aggressive undermining of Mitt Romney, but that makes him no less of a Conservative. And ultimately, none of those things have anything to do with the fact that is the topic of this thread: MSNBC broadcasts false Liberal propaganda and their bias is worse than FOX's.

That's just a bit over the top, don't you think? If all you have to rely on is insults ...

But to summarize: You're the one who declared Christie a traitor and said he would run as a Democrat in 2016. Now you're back claiming the opposite?
All he had to do was compliment the job Obama was doing on one issue to draw your scorn and removal from the Republican ranks. But you want to ignore far more compliments that Matthews has given to Republicans, because they don't count, right?
All your silly insults do not exactly make that stuff reasonable.

[DaveFla]

Originally Posted by 108

i have a problem with all of it, and i wish people would just stop watching the propaganda channels

Good idea. The first step in this process would be admit that the bias exists. I don't know of ANY FOX News viewers who claim FOX isn't biased. OTOH, there are MANY from the left who insist CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, MSNBC etc. are not biased.

[CHFG8R]

Originally Posted by rivergator

As I've said before, I don't watch MSNBC, but it appear to be approaching Fox's level of partisanship. It could even be there. I don't know.

Approachng? Nah. They've been completely in the tank (like Fox) for years now. The losers? That's you and me and anyone else out there who actually would like to watch an unbiased, unvarnished real television newscast or channel.

I personally don't see how anyone can watch either. I can't last a minute with either. Just so damn intellectually insulting.

[CHFG8R]

Originally Posted by rivergator

Gushed over Bush, tingled over Obama.

I'm actually going to back you here. He seemed to just hate Gore in 2000. Not that he gushed about Bush so much, just that he couldn't help but punch the Gore campaign on an almost nightly basis.

Seems the next 8 years changed Chris. I used to really like Hardball back then and his critiques of Gore seemed to be strictly from a political standpoint, not unlike a color guy on a pregame show disecting the upcoming Super Bowl.

But, WOW, has he just thrown it all to the wind these last 5 years. Unbelievable how someone could just throw away every professional standard they had adhered to for the previous 20+ years. Amazing, really.

[rivergator]

Originally Posted by CHFG8R

I'm actually going to back you here. He seemed to just hate Gore in 2000. Not that he gushed about Bush so much, just that he couldn't help but punch the Gore campaign on an almost nightly basis.

Seems the next 8 years changed Chris. I used to really like Hardball back then and his critiques of Gore seemed to be strictly from a political standpoint, not unlike a color guy on a pregame show disecting the upcoming Super Bowl.

But, WOW, has he just thrown it all to the wind these last 5 years. Unbelievable how someone could just throw away every professional standard they had adhered to for the previous 20+ years. Amazing, really.

In 2008, he blasted Hillary every chance he got and made it clear that Giuliani was his choice for prez. If the question is comparing Fox and MSNBC, can anyone name a conservative Fox commentator who has clearly supported a Democrat for president?

[MastaG8r]

Originally Posted by rivergator

That's just a bit over the top, don't you think? If all you have to rely on is insults ...

But to summarize: You're the one who declared Christie a traitor and said he would run as a Democrat in 2016. Now you're back claiming the opposite?
All he had to do was compliment the job Obama was doing on one issue to draw your scorn and removal from the Republican ranks. But you want to ignore far more compliments that Matthews has given to Republicans, because they don't count, right?
All your silly insults do not exactly make that stuff reasonable.

You're making a very dumb argument. If you regard that as an insult than so be it. It's a dumb argument. Sorry.

Yes, Chris Christie is a traitor to the GOP and it wouldn't surprise me to see him switch parties or go independent, because he is first and foremost a political opportunist. But in terms of his ideological viewpoints he is still a Conservative, just like former Democrat Joe Lieberman is still a Liberal.

How many compliments has Chris Matthews given to Republicans, really?

As noted earlier, any number of hardcore Left Wingers who passionately hated George Bush in the political sense were willing to acknowledge his personal likability. That didn't make them any less of hardcore Left Wingers. As I said it is simply a dumb argument to try to question the extent of his Liberalism simply because in occasional moments of candor he said something nice about a Republican. And it's all the more of a dumb argument coming from someone who claims they don't even watch Chris Matthews and therefore is in no position to question the extent of his Liberal bias.

I've thrown out the challenge several times and we have yet to hear from a single other poster who denies that Chris Matthews is anything less than one of the most unabashedly Liberal commentators on television. It's totally appropriate to include him in the company of Maddow and Olbermann, which was the comment by GatorAbe that originally set you off.

[108]

Originally Posted by DaveFla

Good idea. The first step in this process would be admit that the bias exists. I don't know of ANY FOX News viewers who claim FOX isn't biased. OTOH, there are MANY from the left who insist CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, MSNBC etc. are not biased.

can you show this or is this just what you believe?

[MastaG8r]

Originally Posted by 108

can you show this or is this just what you believe?

How would you "show" something like that? Any longtime poster on this forum knows that what Dave said is absolutely true, so don't be coy.

Let's try a show of hands on this in a new thread and see what happens.

[MastaG8r]

Relocated from the Ed Koch thread.....

Originally Posted by gatorman_07732

RIP Ed - One of the libs I liked

Originally Posted by MastaG8r

I join in the RIP. Often disagreed with him ideologically but he always seemed like a relatively honest, conscientious and well-meaning politician.

However with regard to him being a "lib" -- Ed Koch was occasionally complimentary of Republicans and critical of Democrats, so according to rivergator's riverlogic that calls his Liberalism into question. I'm relieved that's the case because I was complimentary of Koch earlier in this post, so if he is a Liberal then I guess that calls my Conservatism into question?

Originally Posted by magnafides

Yeah you're completely misrepresenting what he said (big surprise). According to rivergator this would preclude him from being considered a "raging liberal". It's so ironic, you're actually agreeing with him and you either don't realize it, or won't admit it.

Originally Posted by MastaG8r

You claim I'm "completely misrepresenting what he said (big surprise)," with the parenthetical implying that it's typical of me to misrepresent what a poster said. Please direct us to examples of me doing that, otherwise we can all conclude that you're full of crap.

And my earlier post in this thread doesn't qualify because I didn't misrepresent anything. With all apologies for interrupting this thread about the late Honorable Mayor Koch, I must now defend my own integrity just as I would defend his.

A thread was started about MSNBC's latest episode of misleading editing. With regard to MSNBC's Liberal bias, the following exchange took place:

So quite clearly, just as I said, rivergator called into question the extent of Chris Matthews' Liberal bias - not whether he is a "raging Liberal" - on the basis of him supposedly having been complimentary of Republicans and critical of Democrats on occasion. Which is a pretty dumb argument, isn't it magnafides?

For example, as I noted earlier, I was complimentary of Liberal Democrat Ed Koch earlier in this thread about his passing. I disagreed with the self-described "Liberal with sanity" on many issues but not all, and respected him as a well-intentioned political leader with a lot more integrity than many of the NYC mayors who preceded him. He was certainly an honorable and admirable man.

Now. Do those comments call into question my Conservatism, or my fully-admitted Right-wing bias and partisanship? Trust me: They don't.

I accept in advance your apology for wrongly accusing me of "completely misrepresenting" what river said in the comments re-posted above.

[MastaG8r]

Well now the President of NBC News has been fired, possibly because he's the one who presided over the instances of misleading editing previously mentioned in this thread, plus two more:

In August of 2011, MSNBC's Ed Schultz used deceptive editing to make Texas Governor Rick Perry, who was running for president at the time, look racist:



And in August of 2009, MSNBC's Contessa Brewer was caught deceptively editing a piece of video to portray the Tea Party as racist, but only after she edited out the fact that the Tea Partier carrying a sidearm was a black man:

On Tuesday, MSNBC’s Contessa Brewer fretted over health care reform protesters legally carrying guns: "A man at a pro-health care reform rally...wore a semiautomatic assault rifle on his shoulder and a pistol on his hip....there are questions about whether this has racial overtones....white people showing up with guns." Brewer failed to mention the man she described was black.

Following Brewer’s report, which occurred on the Morning Meeting program, host Dylan Ratigan and MSNBC pop culture analyst Toure discussed the supposed racism involved in the protests. Toure argued: "...there is tremendous anger in this country about government, the way government seems to be taking over the country, anger about a black person being president....we see these hate groups rising up and this is definitely part of that." Ratigan agreed: "...then they get the variable of a black president on top of all these other things and that’s the move – the cherry on top, if you will, to the accumulated frustration for folks."

Not only did Brewer, Ratigan, and Toure fail to point out the fact that the gun-toting protester that sparked the discussion was black, but the video footage shown of that protester was so edited, that it was impossible to see that he was black. The man appeared at a health care rally outside of President Obama’s speech to the Veterans of Foreign Wars in Phoenix, Arizona.

So for those still claiming false equivalency between MSNBC and FOX, please show us five examples of FOX airing misleadingly-edited footage and then running with the deception in the follow-up commentary.

[dangolegators]

I agree with Masta. MSNBC sucks.

[MastaG8r]

Originally Posted by dangolegators

I agree with Masta. MSNBC sucks.

That's all I'm saying. It's tough to deny it at this point. No fewer than five separate examples of deliberately-misleading editing in the past few years? Come on.

[108]

Originally Posted by MastaG8r

That's all I'm saying. It's tough to deny it at this point. No fewer than five separate examples of deliberately-misleading editing in the past few years? Come on.

Masta, as long as you can admit that Fox has been charged of the same things many times

[MastaG8r]

Originally Posted by 108

Masta, as long as you can admit that Fox has been charged of the same things many times

No I will not admit it. I don't know that to be true. Obviously Media Matters is constantly complaining about FOX's Right-Wing spin on everything but I am not aware that within the past few years - because we're talking about the present state of things - FOX has been accused of as many as five different occurrences of the MSNBC-type shenanigans documented in this thread. If you've got recent examples of FOX running a misleading video followed by critical commentary about the phony, trumped-up controversial issue, by all means bust em' out and I'll admit that FOX does it too.

[Row6]

Matthews isn't a news anchor, he's an opinion anchor. I like his quirkiness but wouldn't pretend he is anything but liberal.

As to "fair and balanced" (not, by neither is Fox) some republicans, like Steele and McCain's campaign manager are regular commentators.

The only truly balanced shows on MSNBC are Morning Joe and Chuck Todd's Rundown which follows, and which is quite good on inside Washington coverage. The evening lineup is unapologeticaly liberal.

[neisgator]

Originally Posted by rivergator

As I've said before, I don't watch MSNBC, but it appear to be approaching Fox's level of partisanship. It could even be there. I don't know.

SMH.

My God. MSNBC is 100,000 times more partisan than fox.

I think Corky from Life Goes On could tell you(rhetorically) that.