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rounds · 01-30-2013, 02:06 PM

Moss is going to talk his way back out of the league if he is not careful.
?er-What are u gonna do after football, Randy?
RM-whadda u mean?
?-you know, after ur career is over.
RM-live life, enjoy life, spend money...
?-anything else?
RM-hmmm, aaah, you no, yea..me & my homies we goin fishin'.
yea...bass fishin' u no artificial lures...top water or deep...
yea, we gone gettem, high or low...

Tebowism0823 · 01-30-2013, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by RayUF07

Usain Bolt is tall and fast. He'd be the best NFL WR ever if he played.

Signed,

GATORAZ

lol....Perfect

Tebowism0823 · 01-30-2013, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by nawlinsgator

You're a measurables, kind of guy. Maybe you should stick to recruiting where nobody has proven anything and a guys measurables are the kit and kaboodle.

Rice has all the records and all the rings to back up his claim to GOAT. Moss has his mouth and yours.

This is exactly it. You have pinned him perfectly.

**tec68** · 01-30-2013, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RayUF07

Usain Bolt is tall and fast. He'd be the best NFL WR ever if he played.

Signed,

GATORAZ

Beat me to it lol. He would probably run a sub 4.2 and he is like 6'6.

**tec68** · 01-30-2013, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by GATORAZ

Nobody actually thinks Russell is the greatest QB or Bolt would be the best WR. We are not comparing a great to a bum. We are comparing two greats. People here are saying things like "Rice had the better Brain".

Yes because you do actually have to think in football. You have to be motivated. You have to work hard every single play to be the best. You have to want it every second of the game not just when you want to want it or when you get the ball.

As you said earlier it is a team sport. The best do not only play only for themselves, they play for their team. To help their team win.

GATORAZ · 01-30-2013, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by tec68

Yes because you do actually have to think in football. You have to be motivated. You have to work hard every single play to be the best. You have to want it every second of the game not just when you want to want it or when you get the ball.

As you said earlier it is a team sport. The best do not only play only for themselves, they play for their team. To help their team win.

You do have to think to play the game people are acting like Moss didnt when we all know he did else he would not have done the things he did. The other things are just BS. We know Moss didnt work hard every second of his life at football but nobody here is denying he is not top 5 WR of all time. Do you think Moss was top 5 WR ever?

GATORAZ · 01-30-2013, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by tec68

Beat me to it lol. He would probably run a sub 4.2 and he is like 6'6.

and you also know I would never say that

RayUF07 · 01-30-2013, 02:58 PM

“I’m very surprised Randy Moss used that in those words, that he’s the greatest,” Rice said on ESPN’s NFL Live, via Yahoo Sports. “You’d never hear me say I’m the greatest football player to ever play the game. I let my body of work speak for itself, and I think I was able to be very productive on the football field.”

Gatorphenom · 01-30-2013, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by GATORAZ

and you also know I would never say that

But you already did when giving your reasons for why Moss is better.

This happens every time you venture out of Awesome Recruiting, all you are doing in this thread is showing your age. Moss is in no way better than Jerry, was he faster.....yep.....and that's about it. By the way I've never seen a receiver run a straight route untouched in the NFL yet....so Moss's 4.2 and Jerry's 4.3 is pointless comparison.

GatorSean · 01-30-2013, 03:16 PM

Rice got OPEN, far, far more often than Moss did.

So who cares who is faster, bigger, stronger? Rice did his job better than Moss did, and I really don't even see how its debatable.

I mean their job wasn't to be an 'athlete in their prime'. Their job was to get open, catch the ball, and block when needed. Rice did all of those things better than Moss. Everything else is just a side-show.

secgator · 01-30-2013, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorSean

Rice got OPEN, far, far more often than Moss did.

So who cares who is faster, bigger, stronger? Rice did his job better than Moss did, and I really don't even see how its debatable.

I mean their job wasn't to be an 'athlete in their prime'. Their job was to get open, catch the ball, and block when needed. Rice did all of those things better than Moss. Everything else is just a side-show.

The only reason it is being debated at all is due to someone who never actually saw Rice play, or appreciates the "big picture" of what it takes to be considered the greatest. Simple numbers game and the intangibles don't factor in.

In other words--youth. Plain and simple. THAT is the major reason there is any debate at all. Obvious to everyone what the vast majority thinks--not to mention the media, the league, players and coaches, EVERYONE else.

UFreak · 01-30-2013, 03:49 PM

This is a really long thread. One of the things that I haven't seen in this thread I don't think is just how deadly Rice was with the short pass. He was just though to tackle. Great balance, almost like an upper tier running back with his balance. No one did more with the short pass and turning it into long gains and long touchdowns than Rice did. That guy was hard to tackle from a physical standpoint.

And for those who say Rice was good because of Montana and Young, I say Montana and Young benefitted more from having Rice as their receiver. Hell, Montana sometimes never had to throw the ball further than 20 yards downfield in a game and still have huge numbers because Rice would take 10-yard slants to the house so often.

CHFG8R · 01-30-2013, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by GATORAZ

So IYO saying one top 5 WR of all time is greater than another top 5 WR of all time is a "quite a reach" ?

In the opinion of EVERYONE I have ever heard on the subject who has an ounce of credibility, yes. In this case (and White's), there is no debate among those who know what they're talking about.

If you disagree, please find me one player or coach who backs up Moss on this.

CHFG8R · 01-30-2013, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by theologator

I remember that after Randy Moss had his brief stay in Tallahassee, Bobby Bowden said he was the greatest athlete he had seen, including Deion Sanders. From a pure talent standpoint, I think Moss belongs in a discussion about top WR 's. He did dazzling things at the highest level.

But greatness is much more than talent. It's dedication, consistency, perseverance and focus. Jerry Rice is clearly the greatest WR of all time, all things considered, and I think there are others who would edge Moss on that score.

It's like comparing Dominique Wilkins and Michael Jordan. I think you could probably find measurable evidence that Dominique was the better athlete, and he did dazzling things. But Michael was the harder worker and won championships.

How many RB's were bigger and faster than Emmitt, yet there are very few that approach him in the "greatest" discussion.

Fred Taylor is a good example for many reasons. And while I like Fred and there is no doubt he possessed all-world talent, he isn't in Emmitt's league.

CHFG8R · 01-30-2013, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by AzCatFan

Moss is the better athlete than Rice. Moss has/had a higher upside. But Rice has better numbers, more Super Bowl rings, and elevated his teammates' play to another level. Moss? He has his own mouth claiming he's the best. How anyone would choose Moss in his prime over Rice in his prime is beyond my comprehension. Rice, hands down, is simply the better football player.

Moss has more athletic "potential" but like anything, greatness is more than just potential. Again, how long would Randy last under Jerry's off-season program? Longer than Rice?

Me thinks not. And, the last time I checked, endurance is just as much a part of someone's athletic ability as their 40 time and vertical.

GATORAZ · 01-30-2013, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by RayUF07

“I’m very surprised Randy Moss used that in those words, that he’s the greatest,” Rice said on ESPN’s NFL Live, via Yahoo Sports. “You’d never hear me say I’m the greatest football player to ever play the game. I let my body of work speak for itself, and I think I was able to be very productive on the football field.”

smart man