Rice also didn't play in an era where QB's can't be hit and WR can't be touched. Just about every top QB is throwing for 5,000 these days.
This really isn't an argument. Moss was a great player, Rice is the greatest ever.
PERHAPS Moss could have been, had he applied himself. We'll never know. I'd say if Moss had 1/2 the drive and work ethic of Rice, he would have been the best...
Ding, ding, ding...winner.
Imagine Rice playing under these new rules...my god...those of you voting for Moss should have to put their age down as well. It would be interesting to see.
It reminds me of a recent ESPN poll on the greatest defensive player of all-time. The kids all voted for Ray Lewis over White, Taylor, Butkus, etc.
I get it though...I don't remember anything prior to 1979 or so. So I tend to give more weight to players I have seen and can relate to.
Imagine Rice playing under these new rules...my god...those of you voting for Moss should have to put their age down as well. It would be interesting to see.
It reminds me of a recent ESPN poll on the greatest defensive player of all-time. The kids all voted for Ray Lewis over White, Taylor, Butkus, etc.
I get it though...I don't remember anything prior to 1979 or so. So I tend to give more weight to players I have seen and can relate to.
That's really the crux of this. A lot of the younger folks never got to see Rice play in a live televised game. Highlights don't have the same impact.
You can count on Rice to get open all the time.
And those of you who are saying Montana and Young helped Rice look good....it's most likely the other way around. Rice made their jobs a whole lot easier.
I am saying you are wrong. You will be very alone in your world of Randy being better than Rice.
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How am I alone in the world saying Randy is better than Jerry?
I saw what both of them did I am saying Moss is better than Jerry. People here want Jerry to be better than Moss and I get it. One guy worked his but off and gave it his all. While the other guy was just born with an incredible amount of talent and worked when he felt like like it. You still cant deny Moss's greatness.
Somebody in this thread tried to say "Moss might ow get into the Hall of fame". If Moss didn't get into the hall of fame what would it say about that process? You can take Rice all you want I am taking prime Moss. Just like last year people were saying Tebow I am taking Manning. Some might take Fred Taylor (I am a huge fan) but I would say OJ Simpson was better. I am talking on the field not off it. Some people cant separate the two.
How am I alone in the world saying Randy is better than Jerry?
I saw what both of them did I am saying Moss is better than Jerry. People here want Jerry to be better than Moss and I get it. One guy worked his but off and gave it his all. While the other guy was just born with an incredible amount of talent and worked when he felt like like it. You still cant deny Moss's greatness.
Somebody in this thread tried to say "Moss might ow get into the Hall of fame". If Moss didn't get into the hall of fame what would it say about that process? You can take Rice all you want I am taking prime Moss. Just like last year people were saying Tebow I am taking Manning. Some might take Fred Taylor (I am a huge fan) but I would say OJ Simpson was better. I am talking on the field not off it. Some people cant separate the two.
How are you alone? I would venture less than 1% agree with you. Every poll of players, coaches, writers, former players, etc. Names Rice #1. Some have Rice #1 OVERALL.
But I guess we're all wrong and you're right? LOL!
Nothing Moss ever accomplished on the field trumps Rice. Nothing. Yet you think Moss is better? There's really no point in even arguing with you about it anymore. You seem hell bent on taking the other side just to argue.
Oh, and nobody is denying Moss being great. You can't seem to grasp that. You seem to think somehow since everyone else on the planet thinks Rice is better, that denigrates what Moss accomplished. Moss was great in his own right, I love Moss always have from day one. But no way by any measure was he a better FOOTBALL PLAYER than Rice.
How are you alone? I would venture less than 1% agree with you. Every poll of players, coaches, writers, former players, etc. Names Rice #1. Some have Rice #1 OVERALL.
But I guess we're all wrong and you're right? LOL!
Nothing Moss ever accomplished on the field trumps Rice. Nothing. Yet you think Moss is better? There's really no point in even arguing with you about it anymore. You seem hell bent on taking the other side just to argue.
Oh, and nobody is denying Moss being great. You can't seem to grasp that. You seem to think somehow since everyone else on the planet thinks Rice is better, that denigrates what Moss accomplished. Moss was great in his own right, I love Moss always have from day one. But no way by any measure was he a better FOOTBALL PLAYER than Rice.
There are post in this thread that agree with me so clearly not everybody thinks Rice is better than Moss. I am not sure what you were trying to accomplish. I am not trying to argue with you. I just dont agree that Rice is better than Moss. IMO Moss was greater that Rice. IYO Rice is greater than Moss. Many people just dont like Moss so they will give it to Jerry no matter what. That is how society works. I def grasp that you think Moss is great that is a given.
There are post in this thread that agree with me so clearly not everybody thinks Rice is better than Moss. I am not sure what you were trying to accomplish. I am not trying to argue with you. I just dont agree that Rice is better than Moss. IMO Moss was greater that Rice. IYO Rice is greater than Moss. Many people just dont like Moss so they will give it to Jerry no matter what. That is how society works. I def grasp that you think Moss is great that is a given.
A prime Rice would gain 2000 a year in today's NFL. People who have seen both play, watched football then and now, see Rice #1. I would guess those giving Moss the nod only have watched Moss' era. It's a completely different NFL, one that caters to QB and WR. Moss wouldn't have lasted in Rice's era....he'd get crushed or pout because teams didn't throw 50 times a game and DB's could hit WR.
Many players have amazing athletic abilities. What separates the greats from the also-rans is the ability to make the players around them even better. Having Jerry Rice on the 49ers made an average John Taylor into a Pro-Bowler. Just like Michael Irvin made Alvin Harper into a threat. And just like when Harper didn't have Irvin opposite him, remove Rice from the 49ers, and Taylor just doesn't put up the numbers. Moss had Carter (already established) opposite him early in his career, but since then, whose game did Moss elevate? What's the best #2 receiver Moss played with?
Great receivers often come in tandems. Rice/Taylor, Irvin/Harper, Duper/Clayton, Swan/Stallworth. Moss is and always has been about himself. Rice, on the other hand, was the best receiver ever to play football, and a guy I would take in a heartbeat over any other receiver who has ever played the game. Again, Rice made Taylor a great receiver, and Roger Craig the first guy ever to rush for 1,000 yards and receive 1,000 yards. Put Moss on that 49ers team, and I doubt that happens.
A prime Rice would gain 2000 a year in today's NFL. People who have seen both play, watched football then and now, see Rice #1. I would guess those giving Moss the nod only have watched Moss' era. It's a completely different NFL, one that caters to QB and WR. Moss wouldn't have lasted in Rice's era....he'd get crushed or pout because teams didn't throw 50 times a game and DB's could hit WR.
I don't think Moss has ever been greater than Rice. More dangerous at times, perhaps, but never greater. Greatness is defined by more than ability and a single game or season. It is defined by consistency and performance year in and year out. And there will never be a greater football player than Jerry Rice.
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Put Rice combination of speed, route running, instincts, brains, hands in an NFL where they throw for 5000 a year, where WR can run free and QB's can't get hit....Rice would dominate this NFL.
Moss would not have similar success where the NFL isn't flag football.
Hell, Rice at 39 and 40 in his 17/18 seasons in the NFL put up 2400 yards.
I can see a good argument for Moss as the most impressive deep threat receiver ever.
But best receiver? No way.
He took way too many plays off. He was worthless as a blocker. Was no where near as tough or reliable as Rice (and many other receivers), in just making plays for first downs.
Speaking of base less assumptions....what are you using to support your claim that Moss was greater? I have yet to se one shred of evidence supporting.
I'll wait.
Or do you just expect the world to bow down because you say so?
Rice is #1, but Moss was great himself. Moss' peak may be the highest for a WR ever. However it's close enough that it makes sense for a competitive person to believe it.
I think if you asked any of the top 5 guys at any position, in any sport, they'd say they were the best.
Speaking of base less assumptions....what are you using to support your claim that Moss was greater? I have yet to se one shred of evidence supporting.
I'll wait.
Or do you just expect the world to bow down because you say so?
This is simple he was 6'4 and ran a 4.3 and had great hands. The man could not be covered. You already agree moss was great you just dont agree Moss was greater than Jerry.
This is simple he was 6'4 and ran a 4.3 and had great hands. The man could not be covered. You already agree moss was great you just dont agree Moss was greater than Jerry.
Jeff George could throw a ball out of a stadium, what's your point? Ryan Leaf was bigger, faster, and stronger than Manning. How'd that work out?
It's not all about size and speed and strength. Otherwise the NFL would be Olympic sprinters and weight lifters.
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