Randy Moss: "I'm the greatest receiver to ever play this game."

[geauxgator1]

Rice was the consumnate reciever in every aspect. Moss was a beast in his day, but Rice could do it all. DId you ever see Moss throw a block?
I would take Rice if I was putting a team together and had to chose between the two.

[mikehev]

Originally Posted by GatorJeff

Mike,

Isn't it "granted" (meaning "admittedly") rather than "grant it"? They both make sense in your usage context, I suppose. Perhaps they are both commonly used.

Back to the discussion.......if it's a lifetime achievement award, it goes to Rice. If it's for sheer talent and physical prowess, it goes to Moss.

Thanks for the grammar tip . "Granted" is the correct word. Changed it in the original post.

There are plenty of talents with sheer physical prowess that do not come close to greatest of all time status. In this case, Randy Moss is a prime example.

It takes more than talent to be the best.

In Christ forever,
Mike
John 3:16

[gatorev12]

I'm surprised this is much of a discussion--and I didn't really live in the era when Rice was in his prime.

Rice holds almost every receiving record there is--and he did it in an era when teams were still allowed to play defense and hit WRs/QBs.

[RayUF07]

Originally Posted by GATORAZ

RayUF07 please stop with all the career stats you have eyes you know who the better player was. One guy was Cunnigham and Brad Johnson and Aron Brooks Andrew Walter Dante Culpepper throwing him the football the other has Young and Montana

Moss did have a great time with Brady though

Yes, i do, and it is Rice. Most complete WR ever, arguably the best player at any position ever.

[RayUF07]

Originally Posted by gatorev12

Rice holds almost every receiving record there is--and he did it in an era when teams were still allowed to play defense and hit WRs/QBs.

This is the point I have been trying to get across.

Look, if GATORAZ or anyone else wants to say Moss was more athletically gifted, I will tend to agree. But a better player? No way. Rice had more than just measurables...put Rice's brain and heart in Moss' body, you have a machine. Moss alone was just a great WR who could have been more had he chose to be.

[GATORAZ]

Originally Posted by RayUF07

This is the point I have been trying to get across.

Look, if GATORAZ or anyone else wants to say Moss was more athletically gifted, I will tend to agree. But a better player? No way. Rice had more than just measurables...put Rice's brain and heart in Moss' body, you have a machine. Moss alone was just a great WR who could have been more had he chose to be.

I am saying Moss was the better player and thats the guy I want. You can say he could have been better. I am saying what he was, was still better than Rice.

[gatorr4life]

Both greats. but for my money, Rice. Look out though, because Calvin Johnson is going to break some records before its all said and dome. And what about Andre Johnson? Another beast...

My personal favorite, art monk.

[No1GatorFreak]

I'm going with Willie Jackson. How can u guys sell out like that!?

[1984Gator]

Originally Posted by GATORAZ

RayUF07 please stop with all the career stats you have eyes you know who the better player was. One guy was Cunnigham and Brad Johnson and Aron Brooks Andrew Walter Dante Culpepper throwing him the football the other has Young and Montana

Moss did have a great time with Brady though

Moss was among the best but Rice towers above all. And then there's this thing about winning. Don't get me started on character. Moss may not make the hall of fame!

[1984Gator]

Originally Posted by GATORAZ

I am saying Moss was the better player and thats the guy I want. You can say he could have been better. I am saying what he was, was still better than Rice.

You can say that all day long but it doesn seem like you've watched Rice play. There is no comparison. Rice was a complete player in every way and Moss was a deep threat with the right QB.

[1984Gator]

Originally Posted by gatorr4life

Both greats. but for my money, Rice. Look out though, because Calvin Johnson is going to break some records before its all said and dome. And what about Andre Johnson? Another beast...

My personal favorite, art monk.

If he lasts. He takes a lot more impact than the all time leaders.

[Tebowism0823]

Originally Posted by mikehev

Are the individuals who think Moss is better joking?

This isn't even a comparison. Jerry Rice and its not even close.

In Christ forever,
Mike
John 3:16

Agreed. It's crazy to even think its close. Hell ill take Fitzgerald over Moss.

[Tebowism0823]

Originally Posted by corpgator

Guess who holds the single season record for receiving yards?

Calvin Johnson but he hasn't played enough to be in the conversation. I agree he could surpass them all.

[Tebowism0823]

Originally Posted by GATORAZ

Nobody was better than Prime Moss

Maybe to you but the masses would disagree; and disagree a lot.

[Tebowism0823]

Originally Posted by GATORAZ

RayUF07 please stop with all the career stats you have eyes you know who the better player was. One guy was Cunnigham and Brad Johnson and Aron Brooks Andrew Walter Dante Culpepper throwing him the football the other has Young and Montana

Moss did have a great time with Brady though

Why must you try and act like you know more then others? You aren't a talent scout and coming on here and spewing off at others doesn't make you one. It's time to come down from the pedestal you made for yourself. You can have Moss but don't pretend for a second that you're always correct. The numbers and fans say differently. Hell the colleagues would say differently.

[Spurffelbow833]

If Moss is the best, he still should have been better. A guy who admits to taking plays off fails his own potential. Jerry Rice never took a play off. He grew up busting his tail working for his father as a bricklayer, and he trained himself in the discipline of concentration by catching bricks thrown up to him rapid fire, one after another on rooftops.

[GATORAZ]

Originally Posted by 1984Gator

Moss was among the best but Rice towers above all. And then there's this thing about winning. Don't get me started on character. Moss may not make the hall of fame!

Football is a team sport look at the teams Rice was on and look at the teams Moss was on. What does character have to do with who was the better football player?

[tommyvee]

Originally Posted by sleeze

Route Runner.....Rice
Hands................Push
Blocker'..............Rice
Deep Threat........Moss
Smarts................Rice

I could go on.....Rice just trumps moss all around.

This sums it up nicely. I would add:

Teammate...........Rice

[CHFG8R]

Originally Posted by GATORAZ

I am saying Moss was the better player and thats the guy I want. You can say he could have been better. I am saying what he was, was still better than Rice.

And you would be wrong. And anyone with any sembelance of knowledge about the NFL, from ex and current coaches, ex and current players, ex and current journalists, etc. would agree. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but there is no debate here. You are wrong. Plain and simple.

[mikehev]

Originally Posted by GATORAZ

Football is a team sport look at the teams Rice was on and look at the teams Moss was on. What does character have to do with who was the better football player?

Character is the difference between taking plays off and giving 100 percent, 100 percent of the time in practice, the game, and the 4th quarter. Moss admittedly took plays off. Rice never did. Don't forget "leadership" when making comparisons.

The comparison of QBs throwing them the ball breaks down. Rice never had Chris Carter opposite side, and also did not have the luxury of the new rules that protect quarterbacks and receivers, etc. etc. At the end of the day both experienced variables that helped their impact as players, and both could have benefited from some of the other's variables.

Did Moss have more talent than any receiver to ever come into the league. Probably. Does that make him the best? Not by a long shot (see Jemarcus Russell, Marcus Dupree, etc.). The title of "best receiver of all time" belongs to Rice hands down, not because of his talent, but because of what he did with it.

In Christ forever,
Mike
John 3:16