Caller Paul make an on-air case for the Affordable Care Act. He meanders for a full ten minutes but hits well on the "Low Information" points to build the typical entitlement case.
- Affordable Care act doesn’t change anything because some employees had a pattern of cutting employees hours to avoid paying benefits. (:30)
- People who didn’t have health coverage before will now have health coverage (2:10)
- Supporters/Voters of ACA deserve health coverage no matter the cost to the employer. (6:40)
- The ACA enormously raising rates on business should be seen as the new cost of doing business, equivalent to other costs of business such as advertising. (8:10)
- Companies shouldn’t cut hours due to ACA. The raised cost of full time employment should be offset by a satisfaction that they are providing healthcare, even if ACA costs risk putting the business out of business. (9:20)
...which is exactly what Republicans and many independents have been saying for years: the "Affordable Care Act" has absolutely nothing to do with affordable care and will only increase costs across-the-board for businesses and healthcare--AND act as an anchor to wage appreciation.
Amazing how quickly the proponents of Obamacare have transitioned from "we need to address rising healthcare costs" to "forget healthcare costs, this was really about insuring the uninsured."
...which is exactly what Republicans and many independents have been saying for years: the "Affordable Care Act" has absolutely nothing to do with affordable care and will only increase costs across-the-board for businesses and healthcare--AND act as an anchor to wage appreciation.
Amazing how quickly the proponents of Obamacare have transitioned from "we need to address rising healthcare costs" to "forget healthcare costs, this was really about insuring the uninsured."
Pubs said that because they are reflexively against any government solution before they even know what it is.
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OPEN WIDE AND SAY MOO! Is only $5 on kindle, is a good read by someone who actually knows what he is talking about, and if you don't want to spend the $5, you can read it online on his blog. Here is the link.
I started yesterday and have not been able to put it down. For the liberals here, please plow throw the chapter in which he explains progressivism, and continue soldiering on because everyone is going to be affected by this atrocity of law. Bottom line is, we don't live in a free country unless something radical changes. The fact is our law makers excepted themselves from this law. That right there should be cause for great alarm.
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Comparing Obamacare expenses to advertising expenses under a "cost-of-doing-business" umbrella is bad logic. Are all businesses now required to advertise? No. Are all businesses now required to pay these increases in rates? You tell me.
The point is that we need some kind of system to get people health insurance. More companies have been switching to contract work and part time work without benefits well before the ACA came in. Even if you do have employee insurance, if you get laid off and have an existing condition, it could cost a lot more than you can afford to get health insurance.
Then you have an incident, say a mild heart attack, you then owe hundreds of thousands.
It's way too easy for health costs to financially destroy someone who has done things generally right in life, but didn't happen to save up $1 million or so.
The point is that we need some kind of system to get people health insurance. More companies have been switching to contract work and part time work without benefits well before the ACA came in. Even if you do have employee insurance, if you get laid off and have an existing condition, it could cost a lot more than you can afford to get health insurance.
Then you have an incident, say a mild heart attack, you then owe hundreds of thousands.
It's way too easy for health costs to financially destroy someone who has done things generally right in life, but didn't happen to save up $1 million or so.
We needed some kind of system, because apparently we had no system, and the government's solution, ACA, is turning out to be far worse than not having a system at all. You have a mild heart attack under ACA, you're still financially screwed.
We needed some kind of system, because apparently we had no system, and the government's solution, ACA, is turning out to be far worse than not having a system at all. You have a mild heart attack under ACA, you're still financially screwed.
The point is that we need some kind of system to get people health insurance.
The point is--that's moving the goalposts.
Obama came into office saying we needed to "do something about the rising cost of healthcare."
...and his finalized plan does absolutely nothing to address the rising costs of healthcare...and, if anything, have caused the cost of healthcare to rise even further.
There was an old maxim in world history classes when discussing the "Holy Roman Empire": it was neither Holy, nor Roman, nor an Empire.
I sort-of see the "Affordable Care Act" being laughed about in the future along those lines.
Obama came into office saying we needed to "do something about the rising cost of healthcare."
...and his finalized plan does absolutely nothing to address the rising costs of healthcare...and, if anything, have caused the cost of healthcare to rise even further.
There was an old maxim in world history classes when discussing the "Holy Roman Empire": it was neither Holy, nor Roman, nor an Empire.
I sort-of see the "Affordable Care Act" being laughed about in the future along those lines.
You're really going to claim that part of Obama's 2008 campaign was not to get insurance for the uninsured?
Obama came into office saying we needed to "do something about the rising cost of healthcare."
...and his finalized plan does absolutely nothing to address the rising costs of healthcare...and, if anything, have caused the cost of healthcare to rise even further.
There was an old maxim in world history classes when discussing the "Holy Roman Empire": it was neither Holy, nor Roman, nor an Empire.
I sort-of see the "Affordable Care Act" being laughed about in the future along those lines.
The CBO differs with your Limbaugh-esque analysis.
Again, you will have to wait a few years until all aspects of the law are in place to judge its cost effectiveness.
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You're really going to claim that part of Obama's 2008 campaign was not to get insurance for the uninsured?
No--Obama very clearly spoke of finding a way to insure the uninsured in his campaign.
But you're once again trying to conflate two separate issues. The impetus for Obamacare and how it was sold to the American people was as a means to "do something about rising healthcare costs."
No--Obama very clearly spoke of finding a way to insure the uninsured in his campaign.
But you're once again trying to conflate two separate issues. The impetus for Obamacare and how it was sold to the American people was as a means to "do something about rising healthcare costs."
The right has no business talking about conflation of issues.
Remember how the 9/11 attacks were conflated with the need to go into Iraq?
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Making a Case for the Affordable Care Act
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