Breaking: Ray Lewis used a banned substance to recover this season.

[96Gatorcise]

Originally Posted by gator1986

BCAA's help you recover faster... That's what is the building blocks of your muscles... Protein you can actually do without..

your body gets them from mainly animal sources = protein

[gator1986]

And yes I believe diet is 85% of how you look... I don't lift hard, actually lift light weight, high repetitions... Super setting and circuit training.. Non stop... 30 second intervals in between sets and at it again, followed up by a 3-4 mile jog/sprint

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Originally Posted by gator1986

BCAA's help you recover faster... That's what is the building blocks of your muscles... Protein you can actually do without..

Uh ... protein IS amino acids, and most meat-based proteins contain tons of BCAAs.

You would not hit your essential amino acid requirements with supplementation alone.

[Gatorrick22]

Originally Posted by 96Gatorcise

Branch chain amino acids- plenty of studies on the positive recovery effects...

A strength coach, Charles Poliquin is a strong believer in them.

http://www.charlespoliquin.com/Artic..._of_BCAAs.aspx

just one of his articles

Great article, thanks for posting the link.

I was luck, yet unlucky at the same time with regards to my introduction the free-form amino acids and BCAA's. I got injured at work in the mid '80's and the chiropractor I was seeing suggested I use pharmaceutical quality Arginine and Ornathine - at that time only healthcare professionals could get it, or so I thought. So he ordered them up for me and from then on I was reading everything there was to know about them.

And since then I've never looked at alternatives for my health and my body the same way. But deer antler velvet is not dangerous for me personally. Everyone should see their own health-care professional before using any supplement.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Proteins (pron.: /ˈproʊˌtiːnz/ or /ˈproʊti.ɨnz/) are large biological molecules consisting of one or more chains of amino acids.

But then ... I guess this is how bro science propagates.

[jcp]

Originally Posted by gator1986

And yes I believe diet is 85% of how you look... I don't lift hard, actually lift light weight, high repetitions... Super setting and circuit training.. Non stop... 30 second intervals in between sets and at it again, followed up by a 3-4 mile jog/sprint

That's bad news for me... I don't particularly like exercise but I will suck it up and do it... Eating healthy on the other hand...

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Originally Posted by Gatorrick22

I was luck, yet unlucky at the same time with regards to my introduction the free-form amino acids and BCAA's. I got injured at work in the mid '80's and the chiropractor I was seeing suggested I use pharmaceutical quality Arginine and Ornathine - at that time only healthcare professionals could get it, or so I thought. So he ordered them up for me and from then on I was reading everything there was to know about them.

I first started working out in 1993, when I was 12. My dad then gave me a bunch of weight training books he had back when he was working out in the early- mid- 1980s, most of which contained tons of detail on BCAA supplementation.

I'm not sure what "pharmaceutical quality" actually means other than some sort of purity test, but BCAAs are probably one of the most historically hyped supplements in terms of cost:effect. They're probably worth it solely if you're going to spend a lot of time in a fasted state but want protein's muscle sparing properties.

[tilly]

I think the point here is not its effectiveness...Its the rules violation that's the big issue.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Unquestionably a rules violation, but that is tempered a bit by the lack of efficacy.

[96Gatorcise]

Originally Posted by Gatorrick22

Great article, thanks for posting the link.

I was luck, yet unlucky at the same time with regards to my introduction the free-form amino acids and BCAA's. I got injured at work in the mid '80's and the chiropractor I was seeing suggested I use pharmaceutical quality Arginine and Ornathine - at that time only healthcare professionals could get it, or so I thought. So he ordered them up for me and from then on I was reading everything there was to know about them.

And since then I've never looked at alternatives for my health and my body the same way. But deer antler velvet is not dangerous for me personally. Everyone should see their own health-care professional before using any supplement.

I never have seen anything dangerous about DAV, what I have seen in studies is the amount used to get results compared to what the serving doses.

like I posted earlier Study: 1200mg serving on bottle 11mg drink bottle a day to get study results.

you are correct everyone should educate themselves on what they take.

[gator1986]

Originally Posted by orangeblueorangeblue

Uh ... protein IS amino acids, and most meat-based proteins contain tons of BCAAs.

You would not hit your essential amino acid requirements with supplementation alone.

There leucine, valine, and isoleucine... Those are branch chain amino acids, and yes you could get enough of those for your essential amino acid requirements with supplements. Just buy a BCAA powder.. And obviously protein has it in them, but it's the amino acids that actually are the building blocks for your muscles.

[Gatorrick22]

Originally Posted by orangeblueorangeblue

I first started working out in 1993, when I was 12. My dad then gave me a bunch of weight training books he had back when he was working out in the early- mid- 1980s, most of which contained tons of detail on BCAA supplementation.

I'm not sure what "pharmaceutical quality" actually means other than some sort of purity test, but BCAAs are probably one of the most historically hyped supplements in terms of cost:effect. They're probably worth it solely if you're going to spend a lot of time in a fasted state but want protein's muscle sparing properties.

I thought all free-form aminos were pharmaceutical quality, but the Chinese are trying to sell "food-grade" aminos on the internet - so lookout for that low grade crap.

Most American supplement suppliers sell American pharmaceutical quality free-form aminos, but check to be sure. Don't buy the Chinese junk on the the internet - I don't trust their quality control, nor simple foo-grade aminos.

[gator1986]

Originally Posted by jcp

That's bad news for me... I don't particularly like exercise but I will suck it up and do it... Eating healthy on the other hand...

Just have to find one that's right for you... Whether weight lifting, cardio, MMA style... Find one and then mix it up with others so you don't get muscle memory..

[gator1986]

Not too many people like exercising till they see the results then they love it and it becomes part of their life..

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Originally Posted by gator1986

There leucine, valine, and isoleucine... Those are branch chain amino acids, and yes you could get enough of those for your essential amino acid requirements with supplements.

You could satisfy your amino acid needs through supplementation alone, but it would cost 10x what it would to eat steak and eggs all day. It's nonsensical.

Just buy a BCAA powder.. And obviously protein has it in them, but it's the amino acids that actually are the building blocks for your muscles.

The only thing I'd do with BCAA is take it if I were doing intermittent fasting. Otherwise, drink some whey protein, eat a steak, pop a couple of eggs or drink a glass of milk.

[96Gatorcise]

Originally Posted by gator1986

There leucine, valine, and isoleucine... Those are branch chain amino acids, and yes you could get enough of those for your essential amino acid requirements with supplements. Just buy a BCAA powder.. And obviously protein has it in them, but it's the amino acids that actually are the building blocks for your muscles.

please stop.... you eat protein in the form of meat, fish etc, your body digests and breaks down to extract the amino acids to build muscle.

do you thing they make BCAA in a lab out of thin air? They get them from protein sources (meat, fish, dairy) and refine them down to a powder.

[Gatorrick22]

Originally Posted by 96Gatorcise

I never have seen anything dangerous about DAV, what I have seen in studies is the amount used to get results compared to what the serving doses.

like I posted earlier Study: 1200mg serving on bottle 11mg drink bottle a day to get study results.

you are correct everyone should educate themselves on what they take.

The brand I'm getting ready to use has 2 fluid ounces and totals 56,000 mgs of DAV extract.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Originally Posted by Gatorrick22

I thought all free-form aminos were pharmaceutical quality, but the Chinese are trying to sell "food-grade" aminos on the internet - so lookout for that low grade crap.

Most American supplement suppliers sell American pharmaceutical quality free-form aminos, but check to be sure. Don't buy the Chinese junk on the the internet - I don't trust their quality control, nor simple foo-grade aminos.

I don't know about that. You could buy BCAA when I was a kid working out, it was readily available although it had lost some of its luster from the first wave of hype in the 1980s. It's presently enjoying another one, although I think a lot of that is driven by Leangains/IF popularity.

It's fine stuff, but impractical for a lot of reasons.

Let me put it this way ... a single egg has 3x more Leucine, isoleucine and 2x as much valine as the common supplement serving.

You can get 36 servings of "BCAA" for like $1.20 on sale at the grocery store.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Also, the egg is probably more reliable

[96Gatorcise]

Originally Posted by Gatorrick22

The brand I'm getting ready to use has 2 fluid ounces and totals 56,000 mgs of DAV extract.

what is the recommend serving per day and how many mgs are in each one?