01-26-2013, 05:27 AM
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Originally Posted by socraticsilence
A Muschamp offense will never be tops in the SEC unless the conference is falling back a ton- maybe tops in efficency but lets be honest the primary purpose of the offense is to burn clock and get good field position for the defense.
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I really don't agree. We have recruited some serious play makers with Grier and some of the WRs. We are going to score lots of points in the future. I agree with you that I don't think we will ever have a fast paces offense that tries to score really quickly all the time because that does hurt the defense. But even Bamas offense this year seemed explosive.
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01-26-2013, 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Jonas
I really don't agree. We have recruited some serious play makers with Grier and some of the WRs. We are going to score lots of points in the future. I agree with you that I don't think we will ever have a fast paces offense that tries to score really quickly all the time because that does hurt the defense. But even Bamas offense this year seemed explosive.
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Muschamp is cut from Saban's cloth, and he believes in doing a lot of the same things Nick does when it comes to running a program. So, a lot of the same principles will be there; although there will be a few modicfications I'm sure to fit what Muschamp is comfortable with.
'Bama was explosive this year offensively. Even more importantly, they were efficient. An efficient offense gives your defense a rest. There's nothing quite like going on an 11-play, 78-yard drive, that takes eight minutes off the clock. Your (fresh) defense comes in, holds the offense to a three and out, and your offense goes on another rumbling drive. That kills an opposing team's will. You just pick up positive yardage on first and second down, convert a couple of third and shorts, and the game usually gets blown wide open midway through the third quarter.
We're building that type of team. A tough, grinding offensive line, physical running backs who hit the hole hard and make quick reads, and we're bringing in receivers who can merely win battles every now and then against man coverage. We're getting there.
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01-26-2013, 07:38 AM
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I think it will be interesting to see if Muschamp lets Pease unleash the offense if it starts to click or if Muschamp makes Pease remain conservative. Also, if that does happen, what it does to Pease and the players.
I have a feeling that even if Muschamp had a Corvette capable going 290 mph that if his "Florida Way" means driving a Corolla 55 mph, he is going to ask Pease to drive the Corvette at 55 mph.
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01-26-2013, 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by AFCyberGator
I think it will be interesting to see if Muschamp lets Pease unleash the offense if it starts to click or if Muschamp makes Pease remain conservative. Also, if that does happen, what it does to Pease and the players.
I have a feeling that even if Muschamp had a Corvette capable going 290 mph that if his "Florida Way" means driving a Corolla 55 mph, he is going to ask Pease to drive the Corvette at 55 mph.
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I found it somewhat comforting when Muschamp conceded that he let Quinn go to more of a zone attack against Mizzou. He (Muschamp) admitted that his approach in that game-going in-was to press a bit more, but the Tigers were doing things offensively that were working, and Quinn wanted to play more zone. Needless to say it gave the Tigers problems in the second half.
A smart coach doesn't look for one method or approach to win every game. You look at personnel, look at the opposing personnel, and you put a plan of attack in place that gives you the best opportunity to take advantage of what you do well at. Muschamp clearly let Pease adjust to and do what he wanted to to attack LSU and FSU in the second half. I think it was a mutual decision to keep the playcalling conservative down the stretch before the FSU game.
We've also got to get the parts in place to do exactly what Pease wants. That's happening.
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01-26-2013, 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by AFCyberGator
I think it will be interesting to see if Muschamp lets Pease unleash the offense if it starts to click or if Muschamp makes Pease remain conservative. Also, if that does happen, what it does to Pease and the players.
I have a feeling that even if Muschamp had a Corvette capable going 290 mph that if his "Florida Way" means driving a Corolla 55 mph, he is going to ask Pease to drive the Corvette at 55 mph.
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I promise you Muschamp has no problem putting points on the board. If our offense starts clicking Pease will have full reign to do whatever he wants.
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01-26-2013, 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by NoahBeanBizzel
I found it somewhat comforting when Muschamp conceded that he let Quinn go to more of a zone attack against Mizzou. He (Muschamp) admitted that his approach in that game-going in-was to press a bit more, but the Tigers were doing things offensively that were working, and Quinn wanted to play more zone. Needless to say it gave the Tigers problems in the second half.
A smart coach doesn't look for one method or approach to win every game. You look at personnel, look at the opposing personnel, and you put a plan of attack in place that gives you the best opportunity to take advantage of what you do well at. Muschamp clearly let Pease adjust to and do what he wanted to to attack LSU and FSU in the second half. I think it was a mutual decision to keep the playcalling conservative down the stretch before the FSU game.
We've also got to get the parts in place to do exactly what Pease wants. That's happening.
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I understand that we think good coaches would do that, but I also know coaches tend to be stubborn with their ways.
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01-26-2013, 08:43 AM
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All I have to say about Driskel is: 11-2 !
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01-26-2013, 10:18 AM
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I believe in Driskel, but I hope his coaches trust him and the new offense to be explosive when they need to be, or slow and plodding when appropriate.
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01-26-2013, 10:24 AM
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Pease will have far more tools in place to run his offense. Driskel will have a great off-season, I am sure. I see only brihgt skies ahead, and they are orange-and-blue!
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01-26-2013, 12:15 PM
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I will never understand why some here continue to understand or appreciate how good Chris Leak was. He was a passer and not a runner. Jeff is a runner and his passing skills are still up for debate. U knew Chris could throw the ball from day one. Not a valid comparison. Urban was the only reason Chris did not throw for more yards. No one seems to remember when Chris carried us thru Arkansas and LSU when most predicted doom.
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01-26-2013, 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by chargator
I will never understand why some here continue to understand or appreciate how good Chris Leak was. He was a passer and not a runner. Jeff is a runner and his passing skills are still up for debate. U knew Chris could throw the ball from day one. Not a valid comparison. Urban was the only reason Chris did not throw for more yards. No one seems to remember when Chris carried us thru Arkansas and LSU when most predicted doom.
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Chris did whatever he was asked to do. He nearly doubled his rushing attempts in his first year under Meyer, and never complained. Leak's passing yards in 2006 almost returned to 2004 levels. He is a trooper.
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01-26-2013, 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by socraticsilence
A Muschamp offense will never be tops in the SEC unless the conference is falling back a ton- maybe tops in efficency but lets be honest the primary purpose of the offense is to burn clock and get good field position for the defense.
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I've never heard of any coach who wants what you describe here. Some coaches stress defense, some stress offense, usually depending on which side of the ball has the best players, the coach's background, and various other factors. But I've never heard of a single coach say that all he wants from his offense is to use up clock and get good field position for the defense. That might be the kind of team he ends up with but that doesn't mean it's the kind of team he wants.
Maybe you intend some hyperbole here but while WM's goal may not be to score points like Baylor last year for example (at least not if it leads to having a defense like Baylor's as well), it's inconceivable to me that he doesn't want a good strong offense that can put points on the board and plenty of them when needed.
A coach doesn't go out and get a verbal from one of the best HS QBs in the country just so his offense can burn clock and get good field position for the D. Nor does that QB give a verbal to a coach who wants no more than that.
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01-26-2013, 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by NoahBeanBizzel
Even more importantly, they were efficient. An efficient offense gives your defense a rest. There's nothing quite like going on an 11-play, 78-yard drive, that takes eight minutes off the clock. Your (fresh) defense comes in, holds the offense to a three and out, and your offense goes on another rumbling drive. That kills an opposing team's will. You just pick up positive yardage on first and second down, convert a couple of third and shorts, and the game usually gets blown wide open midway through the third quarter.
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Despite the numerous advantages to the strategy you describe, there are still many in our fan base that insist on football being "entertaining"... roughly translating to scoring lots of points quickly, and looking flashy while doing so. The desire for this flashy approach on offense to some even overrides concern for the consequences that this strategy has on other facets of the game (or even the nature of the opponent's offensive & defensive philosophies).
I'm actually pretty shocked that so many fail to be impressed by striving for dominance in what so many currently refer to as the Saban approach. Imo there is no better way to beat someone (virtually anyone) than to do so with the approach that Bama currently uses. Physical humiliation of your opponent and complete control over the flow of the game... I'll take this any day over what a team like Oregon does.
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01-26-2013, 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Gatorrick22
All I have to say about Driskel is: 11-2 !
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Smh...lol man that was the defense and Gilly. I like Driskel too (mainly cause he isn't the guy who pretended to play QB last year) but he just wasn't very.good this.past season. Three straight games without 100 yards passing is awful. I'm in the camp that says if he can't get the offense moving this next year a change might have to be made. One thing I did notice was that JD played better when we were in hurry up mode. Could be all sorts of reasons for that but maybe a little Oregon/TAMU hurry up offense could help him
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01-26-2013, 05:36 PM
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I believe in Driskel too.
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01-26-2013, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by GatorPrincess8
I believe in Driskel too.
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If it's good enough for a Princess, it's good enough for me!
Go Gators!
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01-26-2013, 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Tito22
Smh...lol man that was the defense and Gilly. I like Driskel too (mainly cause he isn't the guy who pretended to play QB last year) but he just wasn't very.good this.past season. Three straight games without 100 yards passing is awful. I'm in the camp that says if he can't get the offense moving this next year a change might have to be made. One thing I did notice was that JD played better when we were in hurry up mode. Could be all sorts of reasons for that but maybe a little Oregon/TAMU hurry up offense could help him
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Yeah, I just hope he doesn't have two melt-downs again next year. That's all. Remember - no receivers that could out-dual the defenders and catch, plus the often injured line equaled two losses. And the worst case scenarios happened twice in our two losses.
With a better line and tall fast receivers I believe Driskel will shine so bright.....I'll have to wear shades.
Lastly, Driskel did the best he could with what he had.....no man is one man team, unless his name is Tebow.
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01-26-2013, 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by NoahBeanBizzel
I believe in Jeff's legs...
He's got a long way to go to become an elite QB.
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Jeff is a dual threat QB and that alone puts him in better company than his passing stats would indicate. He made some very big plays in big games this year. He's a true sophomore and should get better during the offseason.
as the play develops. He tends to lock on to one player and stare the intended receiver down rather than weigh his options but let's remember that we pressed him into service as a true frosh and this was only his second year of college. It usually takes a few years to develop poise, look off players, see the whole field and make good choices. As good as Tebow was, he still has problems with this part of the game. Driskel's offseason development this year is critical. If he can add that extra dimension, the sky is the limit and even if that proves difficult, he'll be pretty effective in our offense. The defense must cover him or he will gash them with his legs. Driskel proved that many times this year. He has a strong arm and can make all the throws except perhaps the fade. His accuracy is pretty good and I have seen development from last year to this year. He used to panic and take off running without really looking and sometimes threw innaccurately his first year. This year was much better. He just needs to develop better awareness and vision during plays. He needs to check down and make the better choices while learning to look off the receivers. There were a few games where he noticably stared down receivers and gave the opposing DB's a jump on the ball. He'll take more sacks than the average QB because he can extend plays or beat you with his legs but I don't have a problem with that. The key now is to take him to the next level as a passer. If he can do that, we may well win another national championship.
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01-26-2013, 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by gatordee
If our O line is better than last years and is consistent, with the addition of some route runners and playing a 2nd year under Peace, our offense should be tops in the SEC.
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UGA returns a Sr. QB that was ranked 2nd in the nation in passing effiency, Gurley/Marshall at RB, a bunch of proven WRs including Mitchell and last years leading WR (before his injury) Bennett, the Oline and good TEs. The offense was ranked higher than UF's by a wide margin. But you think UF will go from #114 and dead last in the SEC in passing and 104th and 12th in the SEC in total offense to "tops in the SEC" replacing over half your Oline, your one receiving threat and your Sr. RB that had most of your carries?
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01-27-2013, 12:19 AM
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Originally Posted by DawgFanFromAlabam
UGA returns a Sr. QB that was ranked 2nd in the nation in passing effiency, Gurley/Marshall at RB, a bunch of proven WRs including Mitchell and last years leading WR (before his injury) Bennett, the Oline and good TEs. The offense was ranked higher than UF's by a wide margin. But you think UF will go from #114 and dead last in the SEC in passing and 104th and 12th in the SEC in total offense to "tops in the SEC" replacing over half your Oline, your one receiving threat and your Sr. RB that had most of your carries?
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Apparently you've forgotten that Florida had to commit 6 turnovers (more than half the season total) for Georgia to pull the game out and next year your defense will not be as good!
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