When There Is No Second Amendment

[wargunfan]

The Second Amendment is the only thing standing between THE PEOPLE and a future tyrannical government.
Listen to the good citizens of Australia as they warn us about the terror of being defenseless.
https://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=fGaDAThOHhA

"Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty."

[wargunfan]

The law abiding have been disarmed and the lawless are having a field day.

[ChartsandGrafs]

Molon labe!

[oragator1]

Originally Posted by wargunfan

The Second Amendment is the only thing standing between THE PEOPLE and a future tyrannical government.
Listen to the good citizens of Australia as they warn us about the terror of being defenseless.
https://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=fGaDAThOHhA

"Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty."

Not surprisingly, a study done by someone not affiliated with the NRA found it has been a success. Gun violence is down, and gun suicides are down sharply.
http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wo...-in-australia/

[wygator]

‎”A gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and don’t have one, you’ll probably never need one again.”

[CalSFGator]

god help us all from the scary tyranical government.

Everyone needs barbarians at the gate I suppose.

Life can be pretty empty when you accept that no one is out to get you...frankly, they don't even care about you. Until then, you hang on to that AR-15 and you are the guy at the wall defending us against tyranny. We are a generation of sad lonely cause-less men, a red dawn generation of wannabes.

[ChartsandGrafs]

Originally Posted by CalSFGator

Life can be pretty empty when you accept that no one is out to get you...frankly, they don't even care about you.

That's probably the same thing all those thousands of innocent U.S. citizens of Japanese descent thought right before Roosevelt rounded them up and tossed them into concentration camps.

"It won't happen here, not to us."

[CalSFGator]

Originally Posted by ChartsandGrafs

That's probably the same thing all those thousands of innocent U.S. citizens of Japanese descent thought right before Roosevelt rounded them up and tossed them into concentration camps.

"It won't happen here, not to us."

how come the 2nd amendment didn't protect them?

[CalSFGator]

I assume also, by this theory of yours, that you would never live in a place that didn't allow you to have a semi-automatic weapon (i.e., most of Europe)? That's sort of sad.

I am sure that potentially disenfranchised ethnic groups in the united states feel safer about this happening again since a bunch of hard core conservative white guys have guns handy.

Hey, remember when Reagan paid out reparations to the Japanese American citizens. What an America-hating, appeasement p**sy he was. I can't imagine an American president apologizing for America.....

[ChartsandGrafs]

Originally Posted by CalSFGator

how come the 2nd amendment didn't protect them?

I thought you said the government wasn't out to get anyone?

[ChartsandGrafs]

Originally Posted by CalSFGator

I assume also, by this theory of yours, that you would never live in a place that didn't allow you to have a semi-automatic weapon (i.e., most of Europe)? That's sort of sad.

I am sure that potentially disenfranchised ethnic groups in the united states feel safer about this happening again since a bunch of hard core conservative white guys have guns handy.

Hey, remember when Reagan paid out reparations to the Japanese American citizens. What an America-hating, appeasement p**sy he was. I can't imagine an American president apologizing for America.....

So you figure we should all just trust that the U.S. government can't or won't ever become openly tyrannical? Based on what, exactly?

Wishful thinking?

[CalSFGator]

Originally Posted by ChartsandGrafs

I thought you said the government wasn't out to get anyone?

I didn't say that, but I don't pine for it the way lonely conservatives do. The bigger question is why those guns didn't help the Japenese Americans. Isn't that the reason we need them?

[CalSFGator]

Originally Posted by ChartsandGrafs

So you figure we should all just trust that the U.S. government can't or won't ever become openly tyrannical? Based on what, exactly?

Wishful thinking?

Ah, so you won't answer any of the questions I put forth and instead throw up a straw man. Classic. No, we definitely should not trust our government, at all. I never have and never will. I don't like their style. Unlike you, I just didn't start not trusting them 5 years ago when a moderate corporatist became president. Either way, whether I trust them or not has little to do with it. My best protection is my wily charms and my ability to relocate. So when the Red Dawners get all creepy and stalk the borders with their penis extension guns and itchy trigger fingers in their army surplus store camo and illegal Mexican-detectors, I will take a comfy business class flight to more reasonable shores.

[ChartsandGrafs]

Originally Posted by CalSFGator

I didn't say that, but I don't pine for it the way lonely conservatives do.

Sure you did. Here it is again:

Originally Posted by CalSFGator

god help us all from the scary tyranical government.

Everyone needs barbarians at the gate I suppose.

Life can be pretty empty when you accept that no one is out to get you...frankly, they don't even care about you.

The implication here is pretty clear.

So if the U.S. government isn't out to get anyone and isn't potentially tyrannical in the future, why did it cage 100,000+ innocent U.S. citizens of Japanese descent in concentration camps? Why did it carry out the illegal MK-ULTRA and COINTELPRO programs? Why did it carry out the Tuskegee syphilis experiments? Why did it carry out Project SHAD/112? What about Ruby Ridge and Waco?

For what reason should anyone in their right mind trust the U.S. government? Can you provide even one, single answer?

[ChartsandGrafs]

Originally Posted by CalSFGator

Ah, so you won't answer any of the questions I put forth and instead throw up a straw man.

Unlike you, I just didn't start not trusting them 5 years ago when a moderate corporatist became president.

LOL, the irony.

[CalSFGator]

Originally Posted by ChartsandGrafs

Sure you did. Here it is again:

The implication here is pretty clear.

So if the U.S. government isn't out to get anyone and isn't potentially tyrannical in the future, why did it cage 100,000+ innocent U.S. citizens of Japanese descent in concentration camps? Why did it carry out the illegal MK-ULTRA and COINTELPRO programs? Why did it carry out the Tuskegee syphilis experiments? Why did it carry out Project SHAD/112? What about Ruby Ridge and Waco?

For what reason should anyone in their right mind trust the U.S. government? Can you provide even one, single answer?

Your reading is not so good. The implication is that conservatives see ghosts under their bed all the time. Sure, there are things to be worried about. Always will be, but I don't live in fear of them. It could happen, almost anything could, but why not have a bunker if your theory holds, or are you saying you trust the government? Why, give me one reason why you shouldn't have an underground bunker?

[ChartsandGrafs]

Originally Posted by CalSFGator

Your reading is not so good. The implication is that conservatives see ghosts under their bed all the time. Sure, there are things to be worried about. Always will be, but I don't live in fear of them.

What, you want a cookie or something?

Good for you. You have no fear, but you're all hot and bothered over conservatives an their preparations over an uncertain future. That's wonderful, really.

It could happen, almost anything could, but why not have a bunker if your theory holds, or are you saying you trust the government? Why, give me one reason why you shouldn't have an underground bunker?

Exactly. Why not have a bunker? Why not have a bug-out plan? Why not have a year's supply of food and water? Why not have a rifle and some ammunition? Why not have some gold and silver in reserve? Why not have a plan to protect your family in the event of economic collapse or civil unrest?

Why does it bother you so much that a sizable portion of the American people don't trust their government and wish to be able to defend themselves from it in an emergency situation?

[CalSFGator]

Originally Posted by ChartsandGrafs

Exactly. Why not have a bunker? Why not have a bug-out plan? Why not have a year's supply of food and water? Why not have a rifle and some ammunition? Why not have some gold and silver in reserve? Why not have a plan to protect your family in the event of economic collapse or civil unrest?

Why does it bother you so much that a sizable portion of the American people don't trust their government and wish to be able to defend themselves from it in an emergency situation?

Do you have a bunker? How about some boobie traps on the front lawn? Maybe a landmine or two? Maybe a local militia group you can shoot guns with on the weekend, in between shopping at Best Buy and having lunch at PF Changs? When you know why you don't have a fall out shelter and landmines, you can answer your own question above.

You have it twisted about me though. I don't get bothered by the freedom fighter crowd. I think its a wonderful combo of cute and sad at the same time, born of a generation without a calling, the creeping fear of marginalization more than the government and some masturbatory solipsism. You never know what will happen, and Godot may certainly come for you one day, but it just seems like the frantic, annxious hysteria of Vladamir and Estragon to me.

Still, you want to play with guns and do sommersaults in your back yard, I say go for it. Everyone needs a hobby. Just stop pretending that the rest of us are supposed to be impressed by it, any more than the crowd outside a Star Trek convention.

You never answered my question, how come the 2nd Amendment didn't help those Japanese Americans? Shouldn't they have shot back?

[gatorman_07732]

Originally Posted by CalSFGator

You never answered my question, how come the 2nd Amendment didn't help those Japanese Americans? Shouldn't they have shot back?

Well, you just hit on a point of the beginning of a line of presidents trashing the constitution. Roosevelt didn't much care for upholding, protecting and defending the constitution.

[gatorman_07732]

Ever notice that all these politicians, when they come out with gun control legislation, the first thing they say is they totally believe in the second amendment? That should immediately tell you they are bald faced liars.