The Following

[romeg8r]

I love the show. But, with cops and agents being killed a judge would agree to locking Joe in solitary confinement with no visitors.

[ArtVandelay]

Originally Posted by romeg8r

I love the show. But, with cops and agents being killed a judge would agree to locking Joe in solitary confinement with no visitors.

The visitors are all flashbacks, except for the lawyer. I do agree that its odd that he was able to talk without anyone knowing what he is saying in the past. Seems like those rights should be lost.

[jwalkergator]

I usually try to not nitpick a show and just allow it to entertain me but the last episode is pushing me to kind of lose my interest. I just find it really hard to believe that Joe Carroll can orchestrate such a large conspiracy from his jail cell without being thrown into the hole for life. He did kill prison guards, escape and kill the victim that got away in the very first episode.

I am also having a hard time with how incompetent the FBI and US Marshal Service is. Where is Raylan Givens when you really need him?

You would think that the visitor's log for Joe would provide enough info on other potential followers and that these people would be under constant scrutiny.

I understand that it is cliche to give viewers a happy ending but at some point the FBI needs to at least get the upper hand in one episode. They should just declare Carroll a domestic terrorist and send him to Gitmo for some waterboarding. I would like to see him squirm a little bit and have his screws turned.

[scubadude007]

Originally Posted by northgagator

As for last night, the securing of the hideout house was unbelievable. In real life situations there would of been a effort to control the general traffic in the surround area. Of course it is possible for insurgents to infiltrate the perimeter and enable the escape. That is a pretty sophisticated effort and skill set for a cult. But this is Hollywood and it has to stay entertaining

That's what I couldn't believe, in real life in a situation like this, they wouldn't have gotten within a hundred yards of the place without being sniped. Gotta love Hollywood.

So who do you think Rodrick is? hmmmm

Thought it might be Charlie at first .... wrong guess there! Nickname for Joe? Mystery to me right now.

[Hankxr]

How did Joe's wife get away from the nutcase ant the end of the latest show? Did I just space through her escape?

[FrankGator627]

Originally Posted by Hankxr

How did Joe's wife get away from the nutcase ant the end of the latest show? Did I just space through her escape?

The FBI raided it and the follower through a smoke grenade so he could sneak out an escape tunnel

[Hankxr]

Thanks - I saw that part - for some reason I thought he took her with him. DOH!

[ArtVandelay]

Very disappointing episode tonight. There was no hiding that he was going to escape and how they let someone like him pull it off is very unrealistic. Also, now that he is out again, they can't have him caught and continue in jail.

I did like the ending where he is now united with most of his cult. That is interesting.

This has the feel of a 1 year miniseries. which would be fine with me. I can't see this going past a 2nd year and I'm not sure they will be able to last that long either.

[gatorjjh]

I think by getting him out of prison they are opening more story lines, I don't get the feeling it will wrap for good at the end of this year. The writers are the best at maintaining intensity the entire hour....

[FrankGator627]

I just don't get why he gave himself up in the beginning of the series, if he was going to escape again.

I guess they needed him out to open up more "followers" and keep the series life open.

[ArtVandelay]

Do you think its possible that he gets caught again and the show continues with him in jail? A manhunt for him just doesn't do it for me. The large group of idiots, I mean followers, at the mansion is interesting.

[jwalkergator]

Hopefully we get an episode shortly on what all of these fools are supposedly following. What is the end game for these people? Also, hopefully we get an episode or two where the good guys get the upper hand. A compelling story or episode would be to see Joe's plans unraveling and have him come undone a bit.

[northgagator]

Guys, this story is going to have a lot of ebb and flow between the good guys an the bad guys. If this I'd done carefully show will draw good ratings. I like the show last night. The escape was believable however not original. Several other shows have used a similar approach. At least they did not make it a commando raid like rescues. I thought the scene where the security guard got his gut slashed with a straight razor was extremely wicked and well done.

Last week some one on this board asked who I thought Rodwick (Brodwick?). I got an idea. This idea also resolves a nagging issue that I had every episode. I found it hard to believe that Joe could run such a sophisticated cult from prison. Now I know how. Joe may not be the head cult leader. I believe that Rodwick is. And Joe is his protege.

Did anyone see it coming when Joe killed the lawyer? I had a feeling it was headed that way but I was surprised and impressed with the how.

[ArtVandelay]

Originally Posted by northgagator

Last week some one on this board asked who I thought Rodwick (Brodwick?). I got an idea. This idea also resolves a nagging issue that I had every episode. I found it hard to believe that Joe could run such a sophisticated cult from prison. Now I know how. Joe may not be the head cult leader. I believe that Rodwick is. And Joe is his protege.

I think its Rodrick...Very interesting theory, if true. The people at the mansion seemed to think Joe was the leader.

[romeg8r]

Perhaps Rodrick is the FBI agent working with Ryan.

[scubadude007]

Originally Posted by romeg8r

Perhaps Rodrick is the FBI agent working with Ryan.

Was thinking the same thing after last week Rome with her family history. However that might be what the writers want everyone to think!
It'll be interesting to watch how tonight and the next couple of weeks unfolds.

[FrankGator627]

Tonight's episode was wild...

[ArtVandelay]

I like how the good guys got the upperhand tonight!

Obviously there is an FBI mole. Is it Debra? the new guy?

I'm rooting for Weston. I only like him and Ryan.

I think the next couple of episodes you will see the good guys winning.

I don't understand why Charlie let them down again? Why did he kill himself? Because he didn't kill Weston and get the info? I thought that was silly and unnecessary.

I see the kid lying to Joe to make him think he likes him, but eventually will help the FBI. He has to know he is a bad guy.

[gatorjjh]

nice to see the good guys win a round for a change, thinking the end of the show encounters will come back to haunt the followers and not in a good way

[northgagator]

Originally Posted by ArtVandelay

I like how the good guys got the upperhand tonight!

Yes it was nice to have a positive upswing. However, things did get a little dark and twisted in the final ten minutes.

Originally Posted by ArtVandelay

Obviously there is an FBI mole. Is it Debra? the new guy?

The new guy? if you are referring to Donovan, the new head honcho of the FBI unit then I agree with you. He sent Weston home and probably tipped of Roderick and his crew of thugs. It had to be Donovan because the bad guys were waiting for Weston in the parking log.

Debra is totally worthless as an FBI agent. I sort of understand Hardy and her not calling in backup (but they should of). What I do not understand is why she was caught totally flat footed outside of the building. Roderick, Charile, and the woman got away too easy. She should of been able to plug all three of them. However doing that would of been too big of a victory for the home team.

I'm rooting for Weston. I only like him and Ryan.

Same here, they are the only likeable guys on the show. In a creepy way Joe is likeable but then again serial killers are supposed to be charming.

I think the next couple of episodes you will see the good guys winning.

I not betting on anything. The show has already a lot of strange twists.

I don't understand why Charlie let them down again? Why did he kill himself? Because he didn't kill Weston and get the info? I thought that was silly and unnecessary.

Charlie was a flawed nut case. He did not have much self esteem. I recall the incident when he admitted his love to Claire Matthews (Joe's Exwife) and he broke down almost sobbing that he was not worthy to his master (Joe). Early in the show last night
Charlie apologized to Joe for not bringing in Claire and promised not to fail him again. Thus when Charlie came back from the failed kidnapping/murder of Weston I was not surprised that Charlie offerred his life to Joe. I believe the scene was put in to display more of the total devotion the Following has for Joe.

I see the kid lying to Joe to make him think he likes him, but eventually will help the FBI. He has to know he is a bad guy.

Agree totally. I see the kid getting a hold of a cell phone (like he did back at the farm) and getting another rescue mission going.

By the way the location of the bad guys hide out is probably very close to the city were the FBI is camped out (Richmond?). I say this because Roderich and his crew were quickly on the scene at Weston's appartment.