Why is there anger when people leave a state for tax reasons???

[g8orbill]

IU fail to see why it is an issue that he spoke out on the ree dik uh luss amount of money he pays out in taxes

our tax system is punitive and it does punish the producers and as long as we have the 47% who pay no income taxes we will have the 47% who get up in arms because phil or someone else who makes a lot of money, said something that might in the end cause them to get less in redistribution or even have to start paying something

[108]

Originally Posted by gatorman_07732

Don't fool yourself there are a ton of rich liberals. that are extremely greedy. Warren Buffett for example refuses to pay his fair share.

i didn't say there weren't rich liberals

i said wealth obsession seems to be more of a conservative trait

after all, one of the biggest draws of the Republican Party is the platform of reducing taxes...

[jimgata]

It"s true, personal wealth accumulation is not a goal of the vast majority of liberals. It is everyone elses wealth they want to accumulate.
Phil M has a right to live anywhere he wishes, for any reason, and it is NOBODY"S business.

[gatorman_07732]

Originally Posted by 108

i didn't say there weren't rich liberals

i said wealth obsession seems to be more of a conservative trait

after all, one of the biggest draws of the Republican Party is the platform of reducing taxes...

You're so wrong, there are a ton of tax cheating liberals
Hey, Bernard Madoff was bankrolling liberal causes and candidates.

[108]

Originally Posted by g8orbill

IU fail to see why it is an issue that he spoke out on the ree dik uh luss amount of money he pays out in taxes

its been laid out several times why some people gave him flak for his comments

you might disagree with their POV, but not even being able to comprehend why some people made an issue of it, is a compression issue on your part

[g8orbill]

no-I fully understand class envy 108-I just think it is ree dik uh luss

[QGator2414]

Originally Posted by 108

i tend to find people project their own issues

wealth accumulation seems much more of a conservative obsession than a liberal one

hence why taxes are such a big issue for them

i never think about my taxes...it's just like rent to me

sure I wouldn't complain if they were lowered, or I was able to put it towards areas I agree with, but much of it is out of my control, and its not something i spend precious time on

I don't necessarily disagree with this.

Though it only makes sense to me if you are not wanting to invest in your community with your own liberty and freedom...

Otherwise you will want what you earn to better your community the way you feel is best...

[QGator2414]

It still does not change the envy people have for Phil being rich. There should be no reason for it to be bad PR to let it be known his taxes are ridiculously high. But it is because of envy...

[gatorman_07732]

The only difference is consevatives are open about it and liberals are in the closet

[108]

Originally Posted by gatorman_07732

You're so wrong, there are a ton of tax cheating liberals

i didn't say there weren't tax cheating liberals

i said wealth obsession seems to be more of a conservative trait, as the centerpiece of their party's platform is lowering taxes, aka putting more money in your pocket

liberals as a whole, tend to be more intrinsic based

[Burke]

Haven't you heard?

The rich didn't "build that."

That is, earn anything.

They are deeply indebted to "this country" for everything they have.

They should be forced to "give back."

The ungrateful SOBs.

[wgbgator]

Originally Posted by QGator2414

It still does not change the envy people have for Phil being rich. There should be no reason for it to be bad PR to let it be known his taxes are ridiculously high. But it is because of envy...

If envy is indeed a problem as you think, its merely a byproduct of the capitalist system which allows for such vast material distinctions. You can rail against it all you like, but like golf clubs, it is a product produced by the economic system you cherish. It could no more be absent than compound interest or profit.

[gatorman_07732]

Originally Posted by 108

i didn't say there weren't tax cheating liberals

i said wealth obsession seems to be more of a conservative trait, as the centerpiece of their party's platform is lowering taxes, aka putting more money in your pocket

liberals as a whole, tend to be more intrinsic based

See post above, you're fooling yourself. You think most of the people on Wall St are conservative?

[108]

Originally Posted by QGator2414

It still does not change the envy people have for Phil being rich. There should be no reason for it to be bad PR to let it be known his taxes are ridiculously high. But it is because of envy...

i missed where people expressed their enviousness of Phil for just being rich

can you share a link?

or do you just equate some people giving him flak over it with being envious

im thinking the latter

as for "their should be no reason", that just isn't reality...people will find a reason to be upset regardless of any issue...there are people who don't want to hear a rich guy who plays a soft sport, complain about his taxes, when most people would be lucky to even make what he pays in taxes

that isn't enviousness

[gatordowneast]

Envy and jealousy gets one nowhere. Which is why the envious and jealous end up as wards of the state...the mooch class. They waste all their mental energy on how others have prospered and how "unfair".

The real deal is the libbie elites like John Kerry and AlGore and trust funders like the Kennedys, are every bit as concerned with taxes as pubs but they do it quietly (like registering a $7 M sailboat in RI rather than MA to save $500 K in taxes) or excercising Apple Stock options ahead of an earnings announcement that dissapoints and selling earning millions in additional profit at Capital Gains rates.

And these same hypocrits pontificate for the "working man" and fairness...bs..bs...bs. It is really to keep the peasants with pitchforks at bay so they stay off their asses. Just like the Kings and Emperors of yesteryear. Throw em some scraps and they think I care.

As to Phil, look for him to move to Whisper Rock in North Scottsdale and bail on CA. He owns property there, is a member, Bones plays out of there as do a dozen or so other on PGA and Senior tour. And AZ is like Florida...a magnet for athletes wanting to avoid the severe taxation of the blue states.

[108]

Originally Posted by wgbgator

If envy is indeed a problem as you think, its merely a byproduct of the capitalist system which allows for such vast material distinctions. You can rail against it all you like, but like golf clubs, it is a product produced by the economic system you cherish. It could no more be absent than compound interest or profit.

BINGO

and its partly to blame for why there is so much theft crime in the US

that isn't to say we shouldn't have the capitalistic system, but as a byproduct of a economic culture that heavily promotes the individual accumulation of material possessions, envy will follow

but this notion that liberals as a whole are envious is just silly

[CHFG8R]

Originally Posted by GatorAbe7

Or at least boldly state their plans to leave a state because the taxes are terrible?

Phil Mickelson is tonight apologizing for making it clear that he plans to leave California for Texas in order to relieve himself of California's awful taxes.

The debate isn't whether California's taxes are in fact worse than those of Texas. People are acting as if Mickelson owes it to everybody to incur California's smothering taxes? Why? Is this really how deep seeded the fairness doctrine has become? That you have to check the political-correctness of anything you do with your money? Does it really need to be stated that just because it seems "fair" it doesn't mean it will work?

No wonder the few people I know who are wealthy keep quiet about it.

Look, I've defended Phil on the principal of this on two other threads, but the bottom line is this: Don't make a statement if you don't want people to react to it - positively or negatively. He put it out there and now people are reacting. You (and I) just don't agree with their position.

I would imagine, in retrospect, Phil probably wishes he just packed his stuff and moved to Texas and let folks react to that.

[wgbgator]

In fact, "envy" may be as much a benefit to capitalism as it is a detriment.

[108]

Originally Posted by wgbgator

In fact, "envy" may be as much a benefit to capitalism as it is a detriment.

haha, imagine if everyone just stopped wanting more in this consumer based economy

it would crumble

our whole economic culture is based on believing that the accumulation of materiel possessions is what will bring one happiness

[secgator]

Originally Posted by 108

haha, imagine if everyone just stopped wanting more in this consumer based economy
it would crumble

our whole economic culture is based on believing that the accumulation of materiel possessions is what will bring one happiness

"Wanting more" is vastly different than "complaining about those who actually have more". The latter is what we see the libs do much, MUCH more than those on the right.

If indeed wanting more is beneficial, then those who complain about others should get off their asses and do something about it--such as WORK towards attaining those things they "want"--instead of expecting the 'have's' to give it to them--the 'have nots or wannabes'.