01-22-2013, 01:01 PM
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Heisman Winner
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Why the Need for an Apology?
Can someone please explain this one to me. Am I missing something?
http://espn.go.com/golf/story/_/id/8...-opinion-taxes
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I am the guy who in April of 2005 said on the GC boards that Walsh and Roberson leaving was a good thing for our team and that we would win it all in 2007.....I was called an idiot then too!
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01-22-2013, 01:09 PM
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Moderator
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He is relenting to the insidious trend toward disagreeing with ideologically homogeneous leftist statism being treated as bad behavior.
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01-22-2013, 01:16 PM
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Gator Country Silver
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Simply put...class and wealth envy. That is ALL this boils down to.
If you need further clarification, we have several leftie members in here who are experts in the subject of class envy, and are much better suited to answer any questions one may have regarding the nuances and aspects of what causes a person to have that despicable affliction. They exhibit it on a daily basis in here and are world class experts in the field.
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01-22-2013, 01:21 PM
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Wow, is it politically incorrect to speak out against hight taxes now?
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01-22-2013, 01:24 PM
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Heisman Finalist
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gatorman_07732
Wow, is it politically incorrect to speak out against hight taxes now?
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Phil is obviously a racist.
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01-22-2013, 01:25 PM
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Heisman Candidate
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Golf channel was ripping him a new one yesterday. How dare he speak in those terms, he still brings home millions. Very insidious world we live in.
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01-22-2013, 01:36 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wygator
Phil is obviously a racist.
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And a homophobe
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01-22-2013, 01:40 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2007
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He obviously doesn't "need" to apologize to anyone, but we live in a society where it is generally considered bad taste to complain about money when you have that much. Party foul and nothing more.
You guys can wax on and on and on about class envy, but it doesn't ring true when you bitch and moan about every annoying starlet or lefty actor talking politics, or rich guys that complain about too low taxes.
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01-22-2013, 01:47 PM
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Cal is making my point. The very idea that having money means you waive your right to being offended by it being grabbed at is the product of this slow, insidious push to make it impermissible to accept non-statism, non-leftism in polite society.
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01-22-2013, 01:50 PM
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Well, at least his PR people understand that his earnings and ability to make a living are primarily driven by people who don't have his tax issues and enjoy watching him play golf or buy the products he endorses.
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01-22-2013, 02:05 PM
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Sub-optimal Poster
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Some snark from Forbes:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/anthonyn...ing-tax-rates/
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For starters, courtesy of President Obama’s re-election and the subsequent fiscal cliff negotiations, Mickelson will experience an increase in his top tax rate on ordinary income from 35% to 39.6%, and an increase in his top rate on long-term capital gains and qualified dividends from 15% to 20%. Clearly, when faced with tax hikes of that magnitude, it stops making economic sense for Mickelson to continue to swing a metal stick up to 70 times a day in exchange for the $48 million he earns on an annual basis.
But it gets worse. Thanks to the expiration of the temporary 2% reduction in the payroll tax rate on the first $113,700 of self-employment income, Mickelson will have to fork over an extra $2,274 in tax during 2013, an additional burden that makes it hard to justify briskly walking as many as five miles per day, four days a week. In long pants, nonetheless.
And then there’s the impact of Obamacare. When you consider that from now on, Mickelson will be liable for an additional 0.9% tax on his self-employment income and 3.8% tax on his net investment income after each exceeds $250,000, what’s left over from the multi-million dollar endorsement deal requiring him to sport a Rolex watch while playing private courses in exotic locales hardly seems worth it.
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"The things we admire in men, kindness and generosity, openess, honesty, understanding and feeling, are the concomitants of failure in our system. And those traits we detest, sharpness, greed, acquisitiveness, meaness, egotism and self-interest, are the traits of success."
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01-22-2013, 02:09 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2007
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MichiGator2002
Cal is making my point. The very idea that having money means you waive your right to being offended by it being grabbed at is the product of this slow, insidious push to make it impermissible to accept non-statism, non-leftism in polite society.
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Who is doing this part? I see a lot more threads about lefty famous people talking freely than vice versa. Statist, rightist PC behavior.
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01-22-2013, 02:10 PM
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Heisman Winner
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MichiGator2002
Cal is making my point. The very idea that having money means you waive your right to being offended by it being grabbed at is the product of this slow, insidious push to make it impermissible to accept non-statism, non-leftism in polite society.
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exactly
now I don't care who you are or how much you make.....any and all of us would be ticked if we were losing 60% of our income to taxes.
and if anyone doesn't think that is excessive is seriously deluding themselves or proving the above point to be true
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I am the guy who in April of 2005 said on the GC boards that Walsh and Roberson leaving was a good thing for our team and that we would win it all in 2007.....I was called an idiot then too!
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01-22-2013, 02:12 PM
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Heisman Candidate
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wgbgator
Some snark from Forbes:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/anthonyn...ing-tax-rates/
For starters, courtesy of President Obama’s re-election and the subsequent fiscal cliff negotiations, Mickelson will experience an increase in his top tax rate on ordinary income from 35% to 39.6%, and an increase in his top rate on long-term capital gains and qualified dividends from 15% to 20%. Clearly, when faced with tax hikes of that magnitude, it stops making economic sense for Mickelson to continue to swing a metal stick up to 70 times a day in exchange for the $48 million he earns on an annual basis.
But it gets worse. Thanks to the expiration of the temporary 2% reduction in the payroll tax rate on the first $113,700 of self-employment income, Mickelson will have to fork over an extra $2,274 in tax during 2013, an additional burden that makes it hard to justify briskly walking as many as five miles per day, four days a week. In long pants, nonetheless.
And then there’s the impact of Obamacare. When you consider that from now on, Mickelson will be liable for an additional 0.9% tax on his self-employment income and 3.8% tax on his net investment income after each exceeds $250,000, what’s left over from the multi-million dollar endorsement deal requiring him to sport a Rolex watch while playing private courses in exotic locales hardly seems worth it.
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01-22-2013, 02:14 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by madgator
exactly
now I don't care who you are or how much you make.....any and all of us would be ticked if we were losing 60% of our income to taxes.
and if anyone doesn't think that is excessive is seriously deluding themselves or proving the above point to be true
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he isn't paying 60%, and lots of people aren't ticked about it, actually. He doesn't make money in a vacuum, he makes it with tax rates in mind. I suspect he will demand a little more from his endorsements next year to make up for it.
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01-22-2013, 02:15 PM
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Gator Country's Ring of Honor
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The reporter is repugnant. I'm technically near the poverty line and yet couldn't bring myself to look at him or listen to him for more than the few seconds it took me to click off the video.
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01-22-2013, 02:31 PM
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Heisman Winner
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CalSFGator
he isn't paying 60%, and lots of people aren't ticked about it, actually. He doesn't make money in a vacuum, he makes it with tax rates in mind. I suspect he will demand a little more from his endorsements next year to make up for it.
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sorry you're right. it's more like 62-63%
and I know.....he didn't build that
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I am the guy who in April of 2005 said on the GC boards that Walsh and Roberson leaving was a good thing for our team and that we would win it all in 2007.....I was called an idiot then too!
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01-22-2013, 02:32 PM
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Heisman Finalist
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Quote:
Originally Posted by g8trjax
Golf channel was ripping him a new one yesterday. How dare he speak in those terms, he still brings home millions. Very insidious world we live in.
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Is that the same golf channel whose primary sponsors are companies like Rolex, Mercedes and every brokerage firm?
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01-22-2013, 02:35 PM
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Premium Member
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We are getting to a very sad time in this country with the sports media getting just as bad as the MSM.
Thou shalt not speak out against tax collector
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01-22-2013, 02:38 PM
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Gator Country Diamond
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreamliner
The reporter is repugnant. I'm technically near the poverty line and yet couldn't bring myself to look at him or listen to him for more than the few seconds it took me to click off the video.
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In synch wid dat. Dude was way too engrossed in stand-up comedy schtick.
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