Thank you to the State of Florida

[Row6]

Originally Posted by G8trGr8t

less money for raises and higher prices for customers so people can live off of others.

good friend owns a major site and roadway construction company in Collier County. 100 plus employees. they are constantly looking for quailified, experienced people to work for them starting at $14 per hour and making up to $30 per hour, plus health, dental, and life insurance, 401k match, and paid vacation. Overtime usually available for those that want it. They offfer jobs and are told the jobs aren't wanted, just a check on the form that says they applied. People are just too lazy to work as long as they can get by not working. Three years toforce evictions combined with side work and unemployment and many are satisfied riding the pine.

the extensions have to end. they only encourage unemployment and an underground economy.

Unemployment in Florida makes out at about $275 a week. Not that many can afford to be "satisfied riding the pine" at that rate unless they already live under a bridge.

[ArtVandelay]

Originally Posted by Row6

Unemployment in Florida makes out at about $275 a week. Not that many can afford to be "satisfied riding the pine" at that rate unless they already live under a bridge.

Don't let facts get in the way...People are just manipulating the system. Everyone who gets unemployment is milking the government. I've seen it posted in here a million times so it must be true...

[QGator2414]

Originally Posted by Row6

Unemployment in Florida makes out at about $275 a week. Not that many can afford to be "satisfied riding the pine" at that rate unless they already live under a bridge.

Must have a lot of people moving to bridges...

http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2012/feb/...unemployed-is/

[ArtVandelay]

Originally Posted by QGator2414

Must have a lot of people moving to bridges...

http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2012/feb/...unemployed-is/

So you think that all 53% of those people are mooching?

I was one of those 53% of people. I was out of work for longer than 6 months. The unemployment didn't even cover my mortgage/maintenance.

You are naive if you think all people that collect are scamming the system. I won't argue that there aren't those out there, but its probably a lot less than you think.

[g8orbill]

Pkease feel free AVD to point out anyone other than your prez i have said something that could be categorized as "hateful

[QGator2414]

Originally Posted by ArtVandelay

So you think that all 53% of those people are mooching?

I was one of those 53% of people. I was out of work for longer than 6 months. The unemployment didn't even cover my mortgage/maintenance.

You are naive if you think all people that collect are scamming the system. I won't argue that there aren't those out there, but its probably a lot less than you think.

???

Mooching?

Has anyone said anyone is mooching yet?

That said. If you ask me you should have paid for your unemployment (reemployment now) insurance instead of your employer...

[orangeblueorangeblue]

As a business owner I can say that our employees actually do pay unemployment insurance, as it's baked into our salary calculations and fees; it's a budgetary line item that's accounted for in our P&L.

[g8orbill]

AVD reminds me a lot of some of my employees who think I make tons of money and it should not bother me when they break something or waste food

[QGator2414]

I just do not get the reason for employers being responsible for unemployment. That does not mean I do not feel for people who hit hard times either.

I will say I was shocked at the lack of good applicants when we hired an assistant two years ago considering how many are struggling with employment...

[g8orbill]

Where is the money going to come from? They tax businesses for it- just like we are all going to be taxed to pay for obamacare- I am still amazed at the people who think it is going to be free

[QGator2414]

Originally Posted by orangeblueorangeblue

As a business owner I can say that our employees actually do pay unemployment insurance, as it's baked into our salary calculations and fees; it's a budgetary line item that's accounted for in our P&L.

Did your salary calculations include the changing of the contract (ie did you know to calculate for the unpaid interest)?

Just asking as this is one of a few ways a business can look at this expense...

[QGator2414]

btw Art I am glad it appears you have found employment. I hope you like your new job and are fairly compensated...

[ArtVandelay]

Originally Posted by QGator2414

That said. If you ask me you should have paid for your unemployment (reemployment now) insurance instead of your employer...

It's called a benefit. Companies offer them to make it more attractive for people to want to work there.

Originally Posted by g8orbill

AVD reminds me a lot of some of my employees who think I make tons of money and it should not bother me when they break something or waste food

You have a right to be bothered by anything you want. I would be bothered by those things too.

My original comment was mainly a joke, but I do think that if you aren't happy with the way things are going, then you should do something about it.

I understand that billie can't afford to take the tax hits the way that Mickelson can and him complaining isn't the same.

I don't agree with him about unemployment. There are lots of people that need it to survive and even with it, they are struggling. Not everyone is trying to scam you and/or the gov't. Most companies/business have the upper hand when it comes to the employer/employee relationship. Having been screwed over by companies multiple times myself, I don't have as much sympathy for them as I do for the individual worker.

People buy businesses to make money. If the rules don't work for them, they can do something else. Same as the decision most workers have to make.

[QGator2414]

Originally Posted by ArtVandelay

It's called a benefit. Companies offer them to make it more attractive for people to want to work there.

???

Do I have the option to not offer this "benefit" and make it less attractive to work at our office?

Benefits are things as you define them but Unemployment is forced on every employer so there is no benefit to attracting employees based on it.

Now health insurance, matching 401K etc etc are ways to attract better labor...

[QGator2414]

In fact the employer who has to lay someone off would be at a disadvantage to their competitors if they were able to get back on their feet quickly and get in the position to hire again thanks to unemployment insurance. They will have a higher cost of hiring an employee compared to someone who has gone ten quarters with no claims against them for unemployment (Florida)...

[ArtVandelay]

Originally Posted by QGator2414

???

Do I have the option to not offer this "benefit" and make it less attractive to work at our office?

Benefits are things as you define them but Unemployment is forced on every employer so there is no benefit to attracting employees based on it.

Now health insurance, matching 401K etc etc are ways to attract better labor...

Benefit to the employee, cost of doing business for the employer.

There are laws to running a business/company. Unemployment isn't new. Owning/running a business is an investment. It involves risk. If the risk becomes not worth the reward, then you find something else.

[QGator2414]

Originally Posted by ArtVandelay

Benefit to the employee, cost of doing business for the employer.

There are laws to running a business/company. Unemployment isn't new. Owning/running a business is an investment. It involves risk. If the risk becomes not worth the reward, then you find something else.

No doubt that is how Benefits work.

But this is what you said...


It's called a benefit. Companies offer them to make it more attractive for people to want to work there.

And that is not correct for unemployment insurance. It is a benefit to the employee but it is a burden to all employers. No employer becomes more attractive because of unemployment now reemployment.

[QGator2414]

Why should not the employee be responsible to purchase unemployment insurance if they want to?

Or even better why should the employer not have the option to offer it and actually be more attractive to a potential employee?

[wygator]

Originally Posted by ArtVandelay

Benefit to the employee, cost of doing business for the employer.

There are laws to running a business/company. Unemployment isn't new. Owning/running a business is an investment. It involves risk. If the risk becomes not worth the reward, then you find something else.

You do understand that every government tax, mandate, report, regulation has a cost attached to it that is paid by the CUSTOMER of the business. The business has to collect and remit it to the government, but the CUSTOMER pays.

You are paying a portion of the unempl...uh, reemployment insurance for every company you purchase from. It ain't free.

[ArtDeco]

Originally Posted by ArtVandelay

It's called a benefit. Companies offer them to make it more attractive for people to want to work there.
People buy businesses to make money. If the rules don't work for them, they can do something else. Same as the decision most workers have to make.

I used to think this guy was a new poster and well-intentioned. Now I'm not so sure. As another person said on here, he's starting to sound like an old bombthrower called Truman Coyote.
Exhibit A, the item quoted above.
"Unemployment tax", whether at the state or federal level, is NOT a "benefit". I don't "offer" it, I am raped by your government and forced to pay it. There's no "negotiation". There's a rate and a notice you receive in the mail. Don't pay it, go to jail. That's NOT a benefit.
Since you won't post your 1040 numbers on here (or, more than likely, tell us how much money you received in tax refunds), I can't really argue numbers with you. I do not mind sharing with you that my total bill for unemployment tax is well over $1000 for a small company with 3 employees. Now how big do you think that check is that Bill writes every year??