Cry me a river...

[Swampmaster]

no big deal--just move to florida or texas--no state income tax, and build a huge mansion somewhere with low property taxes.

[ArtDeco]

Originally Posted by ArtVandelay

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/golf-d...894--golf.html

stop being such a #$%^ Phil!!!

most people would love to earn just 1% of the money that he is taxed...

I am quoting this because, days after he took heat for being a socialist, the OP went back and tried to change his inflammatory quote to better match his new viewpoint.

[FearNoSpear]

Originally Posted by dangolegators

If he's paying 63% in taxes, he needs to fire his accountant. Still, I think he can scrape by on the 15 million per year or so he takes home even after paying 63%.

It isn't about what he has left. It's about people keeping what they earn no matter the scale.

[ArtVandelay]

Originally Posted by ArtDeco

I am quoting this because, days after he took heat for being a socialist, the OP went back and tried to change his inflammatory quote to better match his new viewpoint.

???

You think I care if you call me a socialist?

What did I change?

[ArtDeco]

Originally Posted by ArtVandelay

I would gladly trade financial situations with him and i'll even chip in an extra 10% to the gov't...

Aren't you the same guy who said you were unemployed for 6 months in another thread and complained that your unemployment benefit wasn't enough to pay your mortgage? Now you want to be loose with your money, throwing away this magical 10% instead of saving it away for your retirement or your kid's future?
It sure is easy to say you'll pay an extra 10% more tax than me (or Phil) when you never had any means of paying the original bill to begin with. I know your type, my disingenuous friend.
Instead of offering up dollars to the government that you have no intention of paying, why don't you go to church this weekend and put a $20 bill in the collection plate. Church of your choice- a mosque, a temple, a Mormon church, whatever. Would you do that for them, or is $20 asking too much for a charitable organization?

[harwil]

Originally Posted by ArtVandelay

I'm envious of Kanye West for being with Kim Kardashian. Is that part of the problem too?

Kim Kardashian?Boy, you've got some kinky taste.

[ArtDeco]

Isn't it funny the OP of this thread is telling GatorBill in the other thread to either pay his tax increase or he's welcome to find another line of work. When Mickelson considers his options and listens to the OP's advice, he's a puss. Gotcha.

[ArtVandelay]

Originally Posted by ArtDeco

Aren't you the same guy who said you were unemployed for 6 months in another thread and complained that your unemployment benefit wasn't enough to pay your mortgage? Now you want to be loose with your money, throwing away this magical 10% instead of saving it away for your retirement or your kid's future?
It sure is easy to say you'll pay an extra 10% more tax than me (or Phil) when you never had any means of paying the original bill to begin with. I know your type, my disingenuous friend.
Instead of offering up dollars to the government that you have no intention of paying, why don't you go to church this weekend and put a $20 bill in the collection plate. Church of your choice- a mosque, a temple, a Mormon church, whatever. Would you do that for them, or is $20 asking too much for a charitable organization?

I stated that my unemployment wasn't enough to cover. I never complained about it.

I was grateful that I was able to use the unemployment to help offset some costs.

I'm not being loose or fast with money. I am saying that if I was earning $48 million dollars a year, I wouldn't be complaining about the tax rate going up a little. My 10% comment was making the point that its still a ridiculous amount of money.

Again, I never said he shouldn't complain about being taxed more. I said that its ridiculous to cry about it saying that he is better off retiring.

You don't have a clue about me. I'm Jewish so I don't go to church, but I do plenty for charity and I help those in need when I can.

[LittleBlueLW]

Originally Posted by ArtVandelay

I stated that my unemployment wasn't enough to cover. I never complained about it.

I was grateful that I was able to use the unemployment to help offset some costs.

I'm not being loose or fast with money. I am saying that if I was earning $48 million dollars a year, I wouldn't be complaining about the tax rate going up a little. My 10% comment was making the point that its still a ridiculous amount of money.

Again, I never said he shouldn't complain about being taxed more. I said that its ridiculous to cry about it saying that he is better off retiring.

You don't have a clue about me. I'm Jewish so I don't go to church, but I do plenty for charity and I help those in need when I can.

The linked article didnt seem like he was complaining, just stating a fact. Just as no one knows you on this board, dont pretend to know that Phil was crying or complaining.

I would bet a hundred bucks to your one penny that he was looking big picture with investments, development and business opportunities. See Curt Shilling story for an example of a high earning athlete that made some stupid choices and went broke, in an instant. Phil's no idiot. He's being careful. Tax rates on high wager earners matter. He knows this.

[QGator2414]

I don't know how many of you watch Survivor but Jeff Kent cracked me up after he got voted out. This thread is a perfect place for the clip...

[gtr2x]

Great, another whiner. The guy is making millions playing golf. Be happy with what you have and shut up. Not class envy in the least, just common sense.

[QGator2414]

Originally Posted by gtr2x

Great, another whiner. The guy is making millions playing golf. Be happy with what you have and shut up. Not class envy in the least, just common sense.

The irony...

What is wrong with making millions playing golf?

You seem to have the envy (though you don't want to acknowledge it) to start lobbying people to stop watching golf...Then you won't have to listen to someone "whine" about keeping what they earn...

[Matthanuf06]

Originally Posted by CalSFGator

Except, of course, when they ARE the producers, then they are bashed as elitist hypocrites by you and others. When Matt Damon or Alec Baldwin talk politics, the right goes into its typical and predictable frenzied hysterics, tells them to shut up and stop thinking anyone cares about their political opinion. When Buffett or Gates say they pay too little in taxes, the apopleptic right tells them to give it away to the government and stop whining.

Now, we get a little anti-tax tirade from a wildly successful golfer (of all things) and we aren't allowed to tell them to pipe down or just retire or move already?

And what do you mean "what happened to a free country"? I hope you are aware of the sheer nonsensicality of that statement, lest someone suggested that Phil not be legally allowed to complain and I missed it.

Nobody cares about Matt Damon or Phil Mickelson. We shouldn't be taking political knowledge from someone solely based on income.

There is something fundamentally different between someone saying they should pay more (less) and saying you should pay more (less). You seem to not understand that.

If Matt, Alec or Warren want to pay more then yes, they should overpay. But they don't because what they really are saying is that I don't pay enough. Yet that's a fundamentally different question. I have no problem with someone wanting to pay more if it makes them happy. It's their money and their happiness. However when dictating about my happiness, my labor, and my life the burden shifts. What makes them the authority on my life? Why does their happiness matter more than mine?

And besides you didn't really fall for that Warren Buffet crap did you? What type of connection does his tax on his dividends have to do with my income tax?

[CalSFGator]

Originally Posted by Matthanuf06

Nobody cares about Matt Damon or Phil Mickelson. We shouldn't be taking political knowledge from someone solely based on income.

There is something fundamentally different between someone saying they should pay more (less) and saying you should pay more (less). You seem to not understand that.

If Matt, Alec or Warren want to pay more then yes, they should overpay. But they don't because what they really are saying is that I don't pay enough. Yet that's a fundamentally different question. I have no problem with someone wanting to pay more if it makes them happy. It's their money and their happiness. However when dictating about my happiness, my labor, and my life the burden shifts. What makes them the authority on my life? Why does their happiness matter more than mine?

And besides you didn't really fall for that Warren Buffet crap did you? What type of connection does his tax on his dividends have to do with my income tax?

No, you just aren't listening. It would make no sense for them to overpay on taxes when they are trying to address a systemic problem. Only somebody utterly detached from any real world solution thinking would suggest as much. If someone says they want more money for education or homeland security, I am not so childish and naive as to tell them to learn to teach all the children or raise an army. When Buffett says we should pay more in income taxes, he is saying it willing to give up more of his own (as am I), but with the adult knowledge that the real value is in a broader change that could actually make a difference. It's either crazy or willfully idiotic that righties can't see that. Warren Buffett has also proposed higher capital gains taxes, but that proposal never gets any air time in their knee-jerky echo chamber.

Then you move into another meaningless rant about me having authority on your life. Why does even the most marginal tax rate increase invoke these absurd and whiny statements? Whatever you or I pay is based on what society thinks is reasonable and/or necessary. It goes up and down over time. Reagan cost me more than Obama ever has, and yet I never asked these inane questions about why Reagan thought he could take my livelihood or had sway over my life. It's all so petulant and hysterical. When can we be adults again and have human being conversations in the world of reality? I am no "love it or leave it" guy, but honestly it is getting absurd. Most of us are well educated and can work anywhere. These wild histrionics are so overwrought and self-indulgent, I find myself looking around for the slow-witted girl everyone is trying to impress and depants.

[CHFG8R]

Originally Posted by CalSFGator

Sales tax? Really? At this rate, I could probably find more than 100% in taxes.

As another Californian that suffers through the above 50% marginal rates burden (plus SF city taxes), it's pretty annoying, but it's a typical business "good problem to have".

Threatening the society that taxes you with the bluff of your early wealthy retirement is sort of the height of self indulgence. Oh no, Phil....please don't quit earning $50M a year on us, whatever will we do.

Fact is, retirement is right around the corner for Phil. Yes, there is the Champion's Tour, but the prize money is much less and, with less exposure than the regular tour, endorcements will probably slip too. Though, Phil being Phil, he could be like Arnie and be earning gazillions in endorcements well after his playing career ends. That said, though, the time is now for Phil to maximize his earnings. He's at his top earning potential now and is likely to fall off that very shortly (arthritis, age, etc.). So, I get it.

As to why he hasn't already moved? Any of you ever been to San Diego? I'm a native Floridian and San Diego is one of the very few places (provided I had to means to enjoy it) I'd leave here for in a second.

[CHFG8R]

Originally Posted by ArtVandelay

I stated that my unemployment wasn't enough to cover. I never complained about it.

I was grateful that I was able to use the unemployment to help offset some costs.

I'm not being loose or fast with money. I am saying that if I was earning $48 million dollars a year, I wouldn't be complaining about the tax rate going up a little. My 10% comment was making the point that its still a ridiculous amount of money.

Again, I never said he shouldn't complain about being taxed more. I said that its ridiculous to cry about it saying that he is better off retiring.

You don't have a clue about me. I'm Jewish so I don't go to church, but I do plenty for charity and I help those in need when I can.

Call me when you earn 48 million and fork away 20 million in taxes and don't bitch. Till then, I'm just going to come out and call it like it it: You're full of crap! I don't know anyone who wouldn't be, at the very least, taken aback by that.

[ArtVandelay]

Originally Posted by CHFG8R

Call me when you earn 48 million and fork away 20 million in taxes and don't bitch. Till then, I'm just going to come out and call it like it it: You're full of crap! I don't know anyone who wouldn't be, at the very least, taken aback by that.

Either most of you are illiterate or you just like ignoring what people write so you can try to prove some point.

I never said that he shouldn't be pissed or complain about high tax rates. I said that for him to talk about retiring because of it, is ridiculous. He can retire anytime he wants. I couldn't care less if I never see him play golf again. The point that you would retire just because they are taking more taxes out is just stupid.

And yes, most of us are enviously, jealous of someone making $48 million a year playing golf. I don't see anything wrong with that. I am sure you are a little too. Doesn't mean that I wish him ill will or anything. I think he should appreciate the fact that he is able to earn as much as he does and somehow try to survive on the $20 million he will get to keep each year.

It's a little insensitive considering the troubles that millions of people have financially. I sure don't feel bad for him.

[Minister_of_Information]

I don't feel any envy towards Mickelson whatsoever. I have a vague sense of "oh, good for him" and nothing more. I do not feel diminished by his prosperity. I really don't care much about it.

[MichaelJoeWilliamson]

Tiger also said he moved from California to Florida primarily due to taxes.

Interesting that it took a UK paper to report this.

[ArtDeco]

Originally Posted by gtr2x

Great, another whiner. The guy is making millions playing golf. Be happy with what you have and shut up. Not class envy in the least, just common sense.

That's not the point. If you want to start a thread about whether a person deserves to get paid millions for hitting a ball, that's another argument/thread. Knock yours elf out.
The point is, does the government have the right to play Robin Hood and change the existing rules on a guy who's already paying high taxes, and does the same guy not have the right to adjust his plans accordingly?