Colin Powell Slams 'Idiot' Partisanship

[wargunfan]

Originally Posted by gator996

Newsflash, much of what you disagree with Obama on are conservative think tank creations...individual mandate, less military intervention, cap & trade, etc.



Is there a cleaner definition of playing the "race card" (God I hate that term)...

Since you disagree with Powell's position you're calling him a racist.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

You are delusional if you think Powell isn't trying to stand up for a brother.
God, I hate when people invoke the name of God and don't believe in Him.

[gatorman_07732]

Originally Posted by orangeblueorangeblue

Well that's an entirely different matter altogether. If the party takes a direction that Powell doesn't agree with and that party happens to have included people that once helped him out, I don't see how he's beholden to noncriticism. That wouldn't make much sense.

The party hasn't changed any direction, it's just that he got everything he needs from those guys being he's retired, So now he backed a big gov liberal for what exactly?

[gator996]

Originally Posted by wargunfan

You are delusional if you think Powell isn't trying to stand up for a brother.
God, I hate when people invoke the name of God and don't believe in Him.

Does Powell stand up for Herman Cain & Allen West too?
Nope.

So I guess his positions aren't primarily based on color as you suggest.



I don't believe in God?
What are you talkng about?

[gatorman_07732]

Originally Posted by gator996

Does Powell stand up for Herman Cain & Allen West too?
Nope.

So I guess his positions aren't primarily based on color as you suggest.



I don't believe in God?
What are you talkng about?

He just has no use for them because they can't do anything for him.

[mdgator05]

Originally Posted by gatorman_07732

The party hasn't changed any direction, it's just that he got everything he needs from those guys being he's retired, So now he backed a big gov liberal for what exactly?

So the tea party people aren't any different than, for example, George H.W. Bush?

[gatorman_07732]

Originally Posted by mdgator05

So the tea party people aren't any different than, for example, George H.W. Bush?

There are Tea Party people but they don't make up the majority of the Republican party. Has he said something specifically about the Tea Party?

[mdgator05]

Originally Posted by gatorman_07732

There are Tea Party people but they don't make up the majority of the Republican party. Has he said something specifically about the Tea Party?

He has said quite a bit about the tea party. And you should recognize the growing influence of that group on the right, as any form of compromise is now being viewed only as weakness and not how business gets done.

For a selection of things he has said about the Tea Party:

"The Tea Party point of view of 'no compromise whatsoever' is not a point of view that will eventually produce a presidential candidate who will win," he said on ABC's "This Week With Christiane Amanpour."

Powell said taking the no-compromise position isn't helping get things done in Washington, and called on members of Congress to "come back to the center to compromise" in order to see progress.

"Compromise is how this country was founded," he said, offering as an example the issue of slavery. "Can you imagine more difficult compromises today?" he asked. "We have a Congress now that can't even pass an appropriations bill."

http://thehill.com/video/in-the-news...nt-win-in-2012

[Republicans] have got to take a hard look at some of the positions they've been taking. We can't be anti-immigration, for example. Because immigrants are fueling this country. Without immigrants we would be like Europe or Japan with an aging population and no young people coming in to take care of it. We have to educate our immigrants ... [And the tea party movement] doesn't become a real force until it's — until it starts to talk to the issues. You can't just have slogans. You can't just have catchy phrases. You have to have an agenda.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...ty_is_all.html

And the Tea Party's classy reply:

Special note for Powell's family:

Please, for the love of God, get his Alzheimer's treated already.

(Can't link as the title of the article contains a curse word but it is found on the website for Tea Party Nation in an article by John Wiseman)

[gator996]

Originally Posted by gatorman_07732

He just has no use for them because they can't do anything for him.

So then Powell's position with them isn't based on race is it?
Its based on being an opportunist...


But with Obama it is based on race.
And a little opportunism...

And you know this how?????


Welcome to the odd strange world of the "conservative" in 2013...

Guys like Christie are suspect republicans but no one suspects they like Obama because of race...

Colin Powell though could never have legitimate concerns/criticisms of the party...
His public stance has to be all about race & opportunism...

...cause he's black and you know the POTUS is too....

[gatorman_07732]

I don't buy that fact this caused him to vote for Obama. During Obama's first election they were not a factor in congress.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Originally Posted by gatorman_07732

The party hasn't changed any direction

A lot of people would beg to differ. There's a reason the Tea Party came into existence.

[gatorman_07732]

Originally Posted by gator996

So then Powell's position with them isn't not based race is it?
Its based on being an opportunist...


But with Obama it is based on race.
And a little opportunism...

And you know this how?????


Welcome to the odd strange world of the "conservative" in 2013...

Guys like Christie are suspect republicans but no one suspects they like Obama because of race...

Colin Powell though could never have legitimate concerns/criticisms of the party...
His public stance has to be all about race & opportunism...

...cause he's black and you know the POTUS is too....

Something else has happened with Powell and circumstances that I believe could be complicated. Looking back to the whole Valarie Plame case. Powell remained silent and his aide Dick Armitage was the guilty person. He knew the score and didn't say anything while millions of tax payer dollars were spent on a witch hunt, because apparently he had a score to settle. He himself made the case in front of the UN for the Iraq war only to back track well after he left office. I can see that he became bitter. Can't say he has handled things well. I think perhaps him supporting Obama over McCain would have been a kick in the gut and he knew it.

[gatorman_07732]

Originally Posted by orangeblueorangeblue

A lot of people would beg to differ. There's a reason the Tea Party came into existence.

That ain't it. Certainly not the reason for Powell

[rivergator]

When you have a major political party spouting things like birtherism, death panels, etc., it bound to offend and disillusion some reasonable folks who had felt that they were a part of that party.

[gatorman_07732]

Originally Posted by rivergator

When you have a major political party spouting things like birtherism, death panels, etc., it bound to offend and disillusion some reasonable folks who had felt that they were a part of that party.

Oh please the left does enough spouting of their own, you know thats not the reason

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Originally Posted by gatorman_07732

That ain't it. Certainly not the reason for Powell

Whether it's "the" reason or not is irrelevant. It demonstrates that the party has strayed far from its purported ideals.

[gatorman_07732]

Originally Posted by orangeblueorangeblue

Whether it's "the" reason or not is irrelevant. It demonstrates that the party has strayed far from its purported ideals.

When I look at many of the nuts in the democratic party, I can't give your post any credence.

[mdgator05]

Originally Posted by gatorman_07732

Oh please the left does enough spouting of their own, you know thats not the reason

The conspiratorial stance of many on the right these days is far beyond what you see in the mainstream left. Look at this board. Most liberals (and the people that get criticized for not walking in lockstep with the right like Phil or OBOB, who would not consider themselves liberal) spent the election talking about poll numbers and looking at them objectively. The right invented a conspiracy. And it wasn't a couple of crackpots, it was the majority of the conservatives on this board and in the media.

The same thing has occurred with the BLS numbers.

The creation of a narrative of victimization has led to a movement less and less connected with reality and more concerned with being told what they want to be true rather than what is true. That is what leads people to vilify all those that disagree on even one issue with the main party as a RINO.

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Originally Posted by gatorman_07732

When I look at many of the nuts in the democratic party, I can't give your post any credence.

What does this mean (or have to do with the topic at hand)?

[gatorman_07732]

Originally Posted by mdgator05

The conspiratorial stance of many on the right these days is far beyond what you see in the mainstream left. Look at this board. Most liberals (and the people that get criticized for not walking in lockstep with the right like Phil or OBOB, who would not consider themselves liberal) spent the election talking about poll numbers and looking at them objectively. The right invented a conspiracy. And it wasn't a couple of crackpots, it was the majority of the conservatives on this board and in the media.

The same thing has occurred with the BLS numbers.

The creation of a narrative of victimization has led to a movement less and less connected with reality and more concerned with being told what they want to be true rather than what is true. That is what leads people to vilify all those that disagree on even one issue with the main party as a RINO.

Don't be outing your peeps

[tegator80]

Originally Posted by gator996

He has to change parties because he has critical comments to make?


What chance does that party have if they can't listen to honest criticism from their own members/leaders?

So, if you don't like your party's direction and you claim to be a Republican, you come out and say you are voting for a standing president who has made grand overtures for changing how we do business that is fundamentally different than what your party espouses? How about just shutting up and not take a stand at all. And try to reach across the aisle and get a middling-focused party started from the disillusioned people on both sides.

I am not a born and bred Pub. They are screwed up, just like the Dems. I see our country going down the tubes and no one seems to care.