Teenager Reportedly Used AR-15 to Kill Five in New Mexico

[gatorman_07732]

Originally Posted by gator996

You know what my intention was?


I already knew they were accidental shootings....

What damn difference does that make?


What it shows is that "supposed" responsible good gun owners are a threat to themselves and others...

Well you did mix that in with a family murder that took place. The two hardly go together but yet you used it for maximum shock value without any explanation.

[gator996]

Originally Posted by scrappygator

Lanza did not use an AR-15. All victims shot with a pistol.

This from Erick Erickson of Red State



Setting the Record Straight: Adam Lanza Did use the Bushmaster AR-15
By: Erick Erickson (Diary) | December 27th, 2012 at 08:12 PM
http://www.redstate.com/2012/12/27/s...hmaster-ar-15/

The media did a horrible job getting its facts and figures straight during and after the tragedy in Connecticut. Gun control advocates have seized on a lot of information and ignored a lot of information in an effort to push their agenda.

But I’m seeing gun rights supporters do the same. Most troubling, over the past week on radio filling in for Neal Boortz I’ve heard from dozens of callers, tweeters, Facebook friends, and email correspondents assuring me that Adam Lanza never used the AR-15 in his possession. Most people linked to a video purportedly showing the police retrieving the AR-15 from Adam Lanza’s car after the incident.

I don’t blame these people for getting the facts wrong. The media caused a lot of the misinformation in their rush to cover the story. But as the nation begins to set policy (or not) based on this random act of violence, we should all have our facts straight.

The fact is, Adam Lanza used a handgun to take his own life, but he relied on the Bushmaster AR-15 to kill most of the victims. He did use that gun. You don’t have to believe me. Believe Connecticut State Police Lt. Paul Vance:


The primary weapon used in the attack was a “Bushmaster AR-15 assault-type weapon,” said Connecticut State Police Lt. Paul Vance.

Let’s keep to the facts, not the grainy videos on YouTube purporting to show what is not true.

[gator996]

Originally Posted by gatorman_07732

Will you did mix that in with a family murder that took place. The two hardly go together but yet you used it for maximum shock value without any explanation.

I didn't mix anything...

All of these shootings occured this weekend.


Maybe in your mind, for every normal thinking person....

The "thing" they have in common is gun violence and the incredible ease of attaining a gun to commit violence.

Even those who are supposedly "responsible" don't know how to handle the damn things, teenagers seem to have ready access to them, and with loopholes in background checks, registration, & tracking private market sales the police in New Mexico still don't know how the 15 year old acquired the guns.

[gatorman_07732]

Originally Posted by gator996

I didn't mix anything...

All of these shootings occurred this weekend.


Maybe in your mind, for every normal thinking person....

The "thing" they have in common is gun violence and the incredible ease of attaining a gun to commit violence.

Even those who are supposedly "responsible" don't know how to handle the damn things, teenagers seem to have ready access to them, and with loopholes in background checks, registration, & tracking private market sales the police in New Mexico still don't know how the 15 year old acquired the guns.

You did indeed throw something out there with no source or even an explanation.

[gatorman_07732]

Since Obama took credit for taking down Gaddafi, then he can take responsibility for the proliferation of the weapons to Algeria

Algeria hostage crisis: Most weapons used in attack came from Libya

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...rom-Libya.html

After all, there were yet again more Americans killed or maybe those firearms don't count in your agenda

[gator996]

Originally Posted by gatorman_07732

Since Obama took credit for taking down Gaddafi, then he can take responsibility for the proliferation of the weapons to Algeria



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...rom-Libya.html

After all, there were yet again more Americans killed or maybe those firearms don't count in your agenda

Do you even look at the stuff you link to????

This from your link:

Many of the Islamist terrorists shot their way into the In Amenas compound on Thursday using the AK104 model of Kalashnikov, which was typically used by Libyan rebels in the war against Muammar Gaddafi.

They brought F5 rockets that also surfaced in the Libyan war, said the security source.

The Islamists wore the same type of outfits that Qatar provided to Libyan National Transitional Council rebels by Qatar – yellow flak jackets with brown patches, known as "chocolate chip" camouflage. The garments are copies of ones worn by Americans in the Gulf war.

The terrorists also employed 60mm gun-mortars used by France and Libyan rebels.

Other non-Libyan arms used in the Algerian terror attack included German and Chinese-made Kalashnikovs, classic rocket-propelled grenades and Russian offensive and defensive grenades




Now Obama is supposed to stop foreign gun manufacturers from selling arms to Algeria?

[wargunfan]

Originally Posted by gator996

Accidental? Who cares...

Dead is dead.

So then why should anyone think "responsible" gun owners are all we need.
These folks are dangerous to themselves...and me.

500 people killed in auto accidents this weekend. Dead is dead.

[gatorman_07732]

Originally Posted by gator996

Do you even look at the stuff you link to????

This from your link:

Many of the Islamist terrorists shot their way into the In Amenas compound on Thursday using the AK104 model of Kalashnikov, which was typically used by Libyan rebels in the war against Muammar Gaddafi.

They brought F5 rockets that also surfaced in the Libyan war, said the security source.

The Islamists wore the same type of outfits that Qatar provided to Libyan National Transitional Council rebels by Qatar – yellow flak jackets with brown patches, known as "chocolate chip" camouflage. The garments are copies of ones worn by Americans in the Gulf war.

The terrorists also employed 60mm gun-mortars used by France and Libyan rebels.

Other non-Libyan arms used in the Algerian terror attack included German and Chinese-made Kalashnikovs, classic rocket-propelled grenades and Russian offensive and defensive grenades




Now Obama is supposed to stop foreign gun manufacturers from selling arms to Algeria?

The report concluded specifically say most weapons used in Algeria came from Libya. What part of that don't you understand?

Most of the weapons used by al Qaeda-linked militants to storm a gas facility in southeastern Algeria came from Libya, the Daily Telegraph has learned.

Nothing was secured after Gaddafi was taken down. How about the firearms that he gave the Mexican drug dealers? This Obama is quite the proliferater

[gator996]

Originally Posted by wargunfan

500 people killed in auto accidents this weekend. Dead is dead.

Besides the fact automobiles & guns are inherently different products and aren't truly comparitive...we do regulate autombile use to limit the danger to the public.

Why not guns?

Link to that auto death number please...

This is what I could find...

http://www.edgarsnyder.com/car-accid...tatistics.html

"The number of highway deaths fell to 32,885 in 2010. It’s the lowest number since 1949."


That's less than 100 a day...so where did your 500 come from?


Let me take a wild guess...the same place you sit down on?

[The_Graygator]

Originally Posted by gator996

Not a random criminal...

He was a family member.


New Mexico homeschooled teen Nehemiah Griego accused of murdering family constantly wore camo: neighbors

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crim...icle-1.1243888

The New Mexico 15-year-old accused of fatally shooting his parents and three innocent siblings constantly wore camouflage gear, neighbors said after the murders rocked the tiny town in the outskirts of Albuquerque.

Nehemiah Griego was homeschooled and wasn’t registered in the local school district, according to KRQE.

A social media profile on the site MeetOne, a website that's similar to Facebook, shows Griego wearing dark military fatigues.

“I’m a fun loving guy who (LIKES) to make (PEOPLE) happy,” the profile reads. “I might be shy but I’ll open up once you get to know me.”

Oh, so Adam Lanza wasn't a criminal because he stole his mother's weapons, killed her with them, and then committed a slaughter?

Thanks for clearing that up.

[The_Graygator]

Originally Posted by scrappygator

Lanza did not use an AR-15. All victims shot with a pistol.

Ban all pistols!

~sarcasm intended~

[The_Graygator]

Originally Posted by wargunfan

500 people killed in auto accidents this weekend. Dead is dead.

Ban all vehicles!

[wygator]

Originally Posted by gator996

Besides the fact automobiles & guns are inherently different products and aren't truly comparitive...we do regulate autombile use to limit the danger to the public.

Why not guns?

Link to that auto death number please...

This is what I could find...

http://www.edgarsnyder.com/car-accid...tatistics.html

"The number of highway deaths fell to 32,885 in 2010. It’s the lowest number since 1949."


That's less than 100 a day...so where did your 500 come from?


Let me take a wild guess...the same place you sit down on?

Autos don't appear to be regulated to the same extent. There is no National Automobile Registry to which auto sales must be reported. People don't seem to concerned about an "auto show" exception.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't even the lower figure for auto deaths much higher than gun deaths?

[gator996]

Originally Posted by The_Graygator

Oh, so Adam Lanza wasn't a criminal because he stole his mother's weapons, killed her with them, and then committed a slaughter?

Thanks for clearing that up.

I guess that wasn't clear enough for you....

This is not about the Lanza shooting.

You responded to the OP which is about a different shooting this weekend in New Mexico and claimed it was a criminal who killed that family.

I responded that it wasn't a random criminal...it was their son.


So the moral of your story doesn't seem to apply

[MichaelJoeWilliamson]

Originally Posted by gator996

The "thing" they have in common is gun violence and the incredible ease of attaining a gun to commit violence.

You describe a gun accident as gun violence?

And describe for us why "the incredible ease of attaining" is relevant. So is attaining a bat. Or knife.

And finally, describe for us why you really think, given the guns laws today, why it is easy to "attain" a gun.

[gatormoe1]

Of course this happened, since the Government screwed up the Sandy Hook shooting in regards to the bush master being used, they needed some type of ammunition to add to this misguided war against assault rifles.

[gator996]

Originally Posted by wygator

Autos don't appear to be regulated to the same extent. There is no National Automobile Registry to which auto sales must be reported. People don't seem to concerned about an "auto show" exception.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't even the lower figure for auto deaths much higher than gun deaths?

Let me explain why the comparison isn't valid...

Inherent purpose of the two products are completely different.

Automobiles are for transport but in their use deaths occur.
So, we regulate them from a safety standpoint to try an minimize the hazard.

I would argue that autos are much more highly regulated...

All of the traffic laws that exist is regulation of autos inc speed, right of way, etc.
The user must be reliscensed on a regular schedule
The chain of ownership of a vehicle is maintained by the govt
National safety standards exist for the product


On the other hand, you have guns...sole purpose is to kill people

And the argument for regulating that product is that it should be less than automobile regulation?




The 2nd ammendment provides for the right to bear arms...

...does that mean any arms?


Should you have the right to own a grenande launcher, bomb, or land mine too?

[Spurffelbow833]

Originally Posted by Dreamliner

Isn't it time that the government turned it's attention to the real problem: trying to get people to lose weight ? Honestly, I'll bet it kills more people on an annual basis than assault weapons do.

There aren't any laws protecting fat ownership. If there were, they'd be all over it.

[gatorman_07732]

Originally Posted by Spurffelbow833

There aren't any laws protecting fat ownership. If there were, they'd be all over it.

Chris Christie is the Illuminati to be consulted

[gator996]

Originally Posted by MichaelJoeWilliamson

You describe a gun accident as gun violence?


Yes.
You don't?

What is it when your next door neighbor while cleaning his gun...it goes off and shoots your kid in the head?

That isn't gun violence?

How about the kid hit on a city playground by a stray bullet?

In your opinion, gun violence is only when the bullet hits its intended target?


And describe for us why "the incredible ease of attaining" is relevant. So is attaining a bat. Or knife.


A little harder to kill in number, or by accident, with bat or knife versus gun.

The ability to attain a gun by teenage kids seems quite easy



And finally, describe for us why you really think, given the guns laws today, why it is easy to "attain" a gun.

You have the money you can buy on in the private market, no questions asked, on ownership trail...

...and in S Florida can take about 5 minutes.

Armslist.com sells just about every damn gun you could want.