Gators vs. Gators (2002-2012) - Just for fun

[rock8591]

Just for fun, as I am sure the players do not mind the comparisons...
I picked similar players in similar roles.

Jeff Driskel vs. Ingle Martin
Mike Gillislee vs. Ciatrick Fason
Carl Johnson vs. Max Starks
Mike Pouncey vs. Mike DeGory
Bobby McCray vs. Derrick Harvey
Jarvis Moss vs. Carlos Dunlap
Omar Hunter vs. Marcus Thomas
Sharif Floyd vs. Ray McDonald
Keiwan Ratliff vs. Reggie Nelson
Channing Crowder vs. Brandon Spikes
Jon Bostic vs. Brandon Siler
Matt Leach vs. Caleb Sturgis
Chaz Henry vs. Kyle Christy

[GataBaitx3]

Originally Posted by rock8591

Just for fun, as I am sure the players do not mind the comparisons...
I picked similar players in similar roles.

Jeff Driskel vs. Ingle Martin
Mike Gillislee vs. Ciatrick Fason
Carl Johnson vs. Max Starks
Mike Pouncey vs. Mike DeGory
Bobby McCray vs. Derrick Harvey
Jarvis Moss vs. Carlos Dunlap
Omar Hunter vs. Marcus Thomas
Sharif Floyd vs. Ray McDonald
Keiwan Ratliff vs. Reggie Nelson
Channing Crowder vs. Brandon Spikes
Jon Bostic vs. Brandon Siler
Matt Leach vs. Caleb Sturgis
Chaz Henry vs. Kyle Christy

Wow. Spikes vs. Crowder.. Can I have them both?

[cstgator]

Jeff Driskel vs. Ingle Martin DRISKEL
Mike Gillislee vs. Ciatrick Fason FASON
Carl Johnson vs. Max Starks STARKS
Mike Pouncey vs. Mike DeGory POUNCEY
Bobby McCray vs. Derrick Harvey HARVEY
Jarvis Moss vs. Carlos Dunlap DUNLAP
Omar Hunter vs. Marcus Thomas THOMAS
Sharif Floyd vs. Ray McDonald FLOYD (this was close)
Keiwan Ratliff vs. Reggie Nelson NELSON
Channing Crowder vs. Brandon Spikes SPIKES
Jon Bostic vs. Brandon Siler SILER
Matt Leach vs. Caleb Sturgis LEACH
Chaz Henry vs. Kyle Christy HENRY

[co_gator89]

We still had Earnest Graham starting at RB in 2002.

[cstgator]

Originally Posted by co_gator89

We still had Earnest Graham starting at RB in 2002.

I think Fason's 2004 year was better than any Earnest Graham year. And Gillislee in 2012 is better than any of his as well.

[socraticsilence]

Rating whole teams:
Top 3
1)2008 (the best Florida team ever by a large margin, I'd take 2008 Florida post-Q3 in v. Arkansas over just about any college team in history).
2) 2006 (Defensively devastating)
3) 2009 (Missed Opportunities- losing Mullen was devastating, Dunlap being a moron prior to the SEC title game kept us from winning 3 titles in 4 years- that and the worst reffing I've ever seen including the Swindle- Bama could have just tackled our D-line and it only be a hold 1 out of 10 times).
After this its a bit of a mish-mash depending on what one values (defense 2012 offense 2007)-- Actually 2012 vs. 2007 would be an epic matchup.

[Gatorrick22]

Originally Posted by rock8591

Just for fun, as I am sure the players do not mind the comparisons...
I picked similar players in similar roles.

Jeff Driskel vs. Ingle Martin - Driskel
Mike Gillislee vs. Ciatrick Fason - Mike Gillislee
Carl Johnson vs. Max Starks - Max Stark
Mike Pouncey vs. Mike DeGory - Mike Pouncy
Bobby McCray vs. Derrick Harvey - Derrick Harvey
Jarvis Moss vs. Carlos Dunlap - Carlos Dunlap over Earl Okine or Moss
Omar Hunter vs. Marcus Thomas - Toss-up
Sharif Floyd vs. Ray McDonald - Toss-up
Keiwan Ratliff vs. Reggie Nelson - Reggie Nelson over Josh Evans or Keiwan Ratliff
Channing Crowder vs. Brandon Spikes - Brandon spikes over Jelani Jenkins or Crowder
Jon Bostic vs. Brandon Siler - Brandon Siler
Matt Leach vs. Caleb Sturgis - Sturgis
Chaz Henry vs. Kyle Christy - Toss-up

[co_gator89]

Originally Posted by cstgator

I think Fason's 2004 year was better than any Earnest Graham year. And Gillislee in 2012 is better than any of his as well.

I think I totally just failed at grasping the aim of this thread.

[theologator]

I'm not sure I understand your comparison. Is it just random Gator greats from the last 10-11 years?

I hate to hijack your thread, but it would be worse to start a nearly identical one. So, let's look at year 2 Zook 2003 vs. year 2 Muschamp 2012:

QB Leak vs. Driskel
RB Carthon vs. Gillislee
FB Latsko (Fr walk-on) vs. Joyer
TE Troupe vs. Reed
WR Kight vs Hammond
WR Perez vs. Dunbar
RT Lance Butler vs. Green
RG Billy Griffin vs. Halapio
C DeGory vs. Harrison
LG Snell vs. Wilson
LT Starks vs. Nixon

DE Darryl Lee vs. McCray
DT Kenny Parker vs. Easley
DT RayMac (freshman) vs. Floyd
DE Bobby McCray vs. Dante Fowler
SLB Crowder vs. Taylor
MLB Fleming vs. Bostic
WLB Everett (freshman) vs. Jelani
CB Ratliff vs. Roberson
CB Johnny Lamar vs. Purifoy
S Gus Scott vs. Elam
S Daryl Dixon vs. Josh Evans

P Wilbur (as a freshman) vs. Christy
PK Matt Leach vs. Sturgis
KO Matt Piotrowicz vs. Sturgis

Choose wisely. 2003 went 8-5, losses to Miami (Away), UT (home), Ole Miss (home vs. Eli), FSU (The Swindle in the Swamp) and Iowa in the Outback Bowl (Vernell Brown's double reverse disaster.)

RB in 2003 was split almost evenly between Carthon, Fason & Deshawn Wynn

There were also other young guys who would later win a NC - Dallas Baker, Cornelius, Caldwell, etc.

[GatorSean]

Jeff Driskel vs. Ingle Martin DRISKEL
Mike Gillislee vs. Ciatrick Fason FASON
Carl Johnson vs. Max Starks STARKS
Mike Pouncey vs. Mike DeGory POUNCEY (not even close)
Bobby McCray vs. Derrick Harvey HARVEY
Jarvis Moss vs. Carlos Dunlap DUNLAP
Omar Hunter vs. Marcus Thomas THOMAS
Sharif Floyd vs. Ray McDonald RAYMAC
Keiwan Ratliff vs. Reggie Nelson NELSON
Channing Crowder vs. Brandon Spikes SPIKES
Jon Bostic vs. Brandon Siler SILER
Matt Leach vs. Caleb Sturgis STURGIS
Chaz Henry vs. Kyle Christy HENRY (I think Christy might get the nod in another year or 2)

[GCNumber7]

Spikes?

[orangeblueorangeblue]

Originally Posted by cstgator

Jeff Driskel vs. Ingle Martin DRISKEL
Mike Gillislee vs. Ciatrick Fason FASON
Carl Johnson vs. Max Starks STARKS
Mike Pouncey vs. Mike DeGory POUNCEY
Bobby McCray vs. Derrick Harvey HARVEY
Jarvis Moss vs. Carlos Dunlap DUNLAP
Omar Hunter vs. Marcus Thomas THOMAS
Sharif Floyd vs. Ray McDonald FLOYD (this was close)
Keiwan Ratliff vs. Reggie Nelson NELSON
Channing Crowder vs. Brandon Spikes SPIKES
Jon Bostic vs. Brandon Siler SILER
Matt Leach vs. Caleb Sturgis LEACH
Chaz Henry vs. Kyle Christy HENRY

Originally Posted by GatorSean

Jeff Driskel vs. Ingle Martin DRISKEL
Mike Gillislee vs. Ciatrick Fason FASON
Carl Johnson vs. Max Starks STARKS
Mike Pouncey vs. Mike DeGory POUNCEY (not even close)
Bobby McCray vs. Derrick Harvey HARVEY
Jarvis Moss vs. Carlos Dunlap DUNLAP
Omar Hunter vs. Marcus Thomas THOMAS
Sharif Floyd vs. Ray McDonald RAYMAC
Keiwan Ratliff vs. Reggie Nelson NELSON
Channing Crowder vs. Brandon Spikes SPIKES
Jon Bostic vs. Brandon Siler SILER
Matt Leach vs. Caleb Sturgis STURGIS
Chaz Henry vs. Kyle Christy HENRY (I think Christy might get the nod in another year or 2)

I think these - without a ton of variation - are pretty much how most people's lists would go.

[Tito22]

Originally Posted by theologator

I'm not sure I understand your comparison. Is it just random Gator greats from the last 10-11 years?

I hate to hijack your thread, but it would be worse to start a nearly identical obe. So, let's look at year 2 Zook 2003 vs. year 2 Muschamp 2012:

QB Leak vs. Driskel
RB Carthon vs. Gillislee
FB Latsko (Fr walk-on) vs. Joyer
TE Troupe vs. Reed
WR Kight vs Hammond
WR Perez vs. Dunbar
RT Lance Butler vs. Green
RG Billy Griffin vs. Halapio
C DeGory vs. Harrison
LG Snell vs. Wilson
LT Starks vs. Nixon

DE Darryl Lee vs. McCray
DT Kenny Parker vs. Easley
DT RayMac (freshman) vs. Floyd
DE Bobby McCray vs. Dante Fowler
SLB Crowder vs. Taylor
MLB Fleming vs. Bostic
WLB Everett (freshman) vs. Jelani
CB Ratliff vs. Roberson
CB Johnny Lamar vs. Purifoy
S Gus Scott vs. Elam
S Daryl Dixon vs. Josh Evans

P Wilbur (as a freshman) vs. Christy
PK Matt Leach vs. Sturgis
KO Matt Piotrowicz vs. Sturgis

Choose wisely. 2003 went 8-5, losses to Miami (Away), UT (home), Ole Miss (home vs. Eli), FSU (The Swindle in the Swamp) and Iowa in the Outback Bowl (Vernell Brown's double reverse disaster.)

RB in 2003 was split almost evenly between Carthon, Fason & Deshawn Wynn

There were also other young guys who would later win a NC - Dallas Baker, Cornelius, Caldwell, etc.

Kelvin Kight and Carlos Perez...smh...maybe the slowest starting WR tandem in Florida history. Perez does have that bubble screen against UGA though

[Gatorrick22]

Originally Posted by orangeblueorangeblue

I think these - without a ton of variation - are pretty much how most people's lists would go.

No way Fason is better than Gillislee. And a senior, Henry, against a sophomore rates a toss-up, IMHO. But Ray Mac over Floyd is too close to call.

[theologator]

Originally Posted by Gatorrick22

No way Fason is better than Gillislee. And a senior, Henry, against a sophomore rates a toss-up, IMHO. But Ray Mac over Floyd is too close to call.

Have you checked the stats?

C4 had a full yard per carry better in his final year as the feature back (5.7 vs. 4.7 for Gilly.)

C4 gained 115 more yards in one less game, 17 yards better per game.

C4 had 104 more yards receiving and more than twice as many receptions.

Even so, I don't think I can say either was significantly better than the other. Neither had great OLines blocking, but both hit the hole hard and cut well. C4 ran too high but so did Gilly at times. Each had one breakout year. Neither is in the top 10 of career rushing yardage.

I think they'll fall pretty close to each other on the all-time list.

[32250Gator]

Jeff Driskel vs. Ingle Martin
Mike Gillislee vs. Ciatrick Fason
Carl Johnson vs. Max Starks
Mike Pouncey vs. Mike DeGory
Bobby McCray vs. Derrick Harvey
Jarvis Moss vs. Carlos Dunlap
Omar Hunter vs. Marcus Thomas
Sharif Floyd vs. Ray McDonald
Keiwan Ratliff vs. Reggie Nelson
Channing Crowder vs. Brandon Spikes - Push
Jon Bostic vs. Brandon Siler
Matt Leach vs. Caleb Sturgis
Chaz Henry vs. Kyle Christy - Push

[Gatorrick22]

Originally Posted by theologator

Have you checked the stats?

C4 had a full yard per carry better in his final year as the feature back (5.7 vs. 4.7 for Gilly.)

C4 gained 115 more yards in one less game, 17 yards better per game.

C4 had 104 more yards receiving and more than twice as many receptions.

Even so, I don't think I can say either was significantly better than the other. Neither had great OLines blocking, but both hit the hole hard and cut well. C4 ran too high but so did Gilly at times. Each had one breakout year. Neither is in the top 10 of career rushing yardage.

I think they'll fall pretty close to each other on the all-time list.

Different line, different coach, different teams and different schemes equals different results. But you will see Gilly playing in the league longer than Fason did, if that's a fair way to compare them.

But, you're right, they we both pretty close in talent while at UF.

[GatorAbe7]

Reminds what what rough year 2002 was. We still somehow managed to handle Tennessee though.

[theologator]

Originally Posted by Gatorrick22

Different line, different coach, different teams and different schemes equals different results. But you will see Gilly playing in the league longer that Fason did, if that's a fair way to compare them.

But, you're right, they we both pretty close in talent while at UF.

I think you're right about Gilly & the NFL. C4 lasted just 2 years and had almost no impact. Gilly runs lower & smarter.

[AmbroseGator]

Isn't Keiwan to RFN comparing corner to free safety? I'm enjoying the comparisons and the trip down memory lane but I would have preferred more apples to apples for this one.