Record Cold in China threatening Food Crops

[G8trGr8t]

http://www.valuewalk.com/2013/01/rec...uld-sow-riots/

Winters seem to be growing gradually warmer in the United States but on the other side of the world China is struggling amidst the coldest winter in nearly 30 years. Prolonged and extreme colds are now threatening to disrupt food supplies which will add to inflation and could cause a national emergency. The prolonged cold spell is already increasing pressures on the Consumer Price Index and may slow China’s economy in the months to come.

The southern regions of China are privng to be particularly vulnerable to the chilling temperatures as the general population lacks the experience to prolonged periods of freezing temperatures. Already over 400,000 people in the Southern province of Guizhou are facing a state of emergency as ice build ups has disrupted power lines and transportation. The province is expected to suffer at least 10 million dollars worth of damage to iced over fields alone.

The summer growing season was cut unexpectedly short this year, hurting agriculture supplies across the country as snows and frost arrived far earlier then usual, even in the Southern regions of China. In combination with surging demand due to increased economic development this could cause rice and grain prices to sky-rocket though China has announced plans to purchase excess rice from Thailand. Meanwhile prices for certain foods are rising at alarming rates. Cabbage prices have skyrocketed by ten percent in recent days. Further, an estimated 180,000 cattle have died due to the cold across China which will raise meat prices. Other livestock may also be threatened in the coming weeks.

Meanwhile ships have been trapped in rivers and along parts of coast across China. Most of China’s exports exit through the south of China where passage ways are still open, however, energy supplies being brought in through Russia and elsewhere could be disrupted. Public transportation systems and roadways have also ground to a halt. China frequently suffers from traffic jams and ice, heavy snows will only exacerbate the problem.

China isn’t the only country taking the brunt of this unusually cold winter. Heavy snow falls have buried part of Jordan in up to a foot of snow and caused fatal car accidents in the West Bank. Meanwhile in Bangladesh at least 80 people have been killed by record colds. Parts of Northern India are suffering similar conditions and peoples across Asia long used to warm weather are at a high risk of being unable to cope with the temperature drops

and they are burning coal at record rates in old coal fired generators with no pollution control at all trying to stay warm.

a few million young starving chinese men without enough women to go around could be a bad thing for stability.

so while we discuss our warmth, remember that others elsewhere are freezing through a record cold winter. while we debate spending hundreds of billions for minor improvements in CO2 releases, others are not even spending pennies when the improvement would be exponentially larger in amount of pollutants removed. real bad stuff like mercury too, not the just the big bad scary co2 stuff.

[g8trjax]

Must be chinese propaganda. Thousands of scientist say it can't be so.

[g8orbill]

must be from global warming

[rpmGator]

The pollution there is pretty bad. Coal burning and unchecked industry is the reason, yet some of you want us to be more like them.

So if we relax our rules, somehow we get better, is not much of a plan when the results are easy to see.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...#slide=1986460

[Burke]

With the govt here destroying our economy as it is doing, it's just a matter of time until we will be desperate enough to be doing the same thing here.

While cursing the memories of all those who "fought" nuclear power.

[gatormoe1]

[MichaelJoeWilliamson]

Originally Posted by rpmGator

Coal burning and unchecked industry is the reason, yet some of you want us to be more like them.

Actually, at one point the US was exactly like China, from a pollution control standpoint.

The evolution of countries seems to go that way.

[G8trGr8t]

and nobody is suggesting that we revert to that total lack of regulation either. right now, the pendulum has swung too far though

[chemgator]

Originally Posted by rpmGator

The pollution there is pretty bad. Coal burning and unchecked industry is the reason, yet some of you want us to be more like them.

So if we relax our rules, somehow we get better, is not much of a plan when the results are easy to see.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...#slide=1986460

The regulations should be smarter and simpler, not just "more" or "less". And they should be independent of political pressures, not an enforcement arm of a politician's agenda. Clinton seemed very much to want to eliminate heavy industry in the U.S., and the EPA pushed towards that goal. The EPA's goal should be to improve industry, not to hamper it or cripple it. It needs to be run by competent professionals, not unqualified political appointees (like Carol Browner).

[jimgata]

The word "global", in global warming extremists lingo, means the USA only.
Pollution is a different ball game than global warming, but the warmists can't seem to separate the two. Nobody wants pollution and the waters and the air we breathe can be controlled without the wild solutions from the warmists that will cost trillions and not accomplish the desired effect.

[rpmGator]

We are flush with new oil, new natural gas, windpower going in like no other time in our history, yet the pendulum has swung too far for some reason or other.

Doing it right has a cost, if you don't want to do it right, you cost the rest of us.

The population of this nation and the world is at its highest ever and growing.

The pollution problem gets worse with growth alone. Allowing each person to pollute more, when we already have more people, isn't the smart choice.

Wind has created some damn good jobs in this nation, while you fight for the coal mine jobs. The same coal miners you once hated, for being union. You guys can't even keep up with who you hate...

[G8trGr8t]

we are talking about regulating CO2 as a global warming gas not poisining granm's crik. The EPA is discussing shutting down drilling where flaring is required because wells are not connected to already oversupplied nat gas market. wells are so remote the price of the gas does not justify the capital to build miles of pipeline.

and even though we are awash in nat gas, there is no major intitiative to use it as a surface transportation fuel which would greatly reduce REAL pollution by reducing number of diesels running.

we are so awash in oil that we continue to import it and ship hundreds of billions every week to other countries for the privelege of it. get back to me when we no longer import oil. heck i would be happy to just limit imports to Canada and Mexico. not even close to that goal so now e are not awash in oil. we have serious midstream infrastructure bottlenecks that limit the protability of the oil but we still import a lot of oil and export a lot of wealth for it.

We are not talking about mercury or lead or bad stuff, just the CO2 regs that are going to be just a little more pressure on the regulatory boot to throat that holds this country back. EPA decided CO2 was a pollutant because congress would not do what O wants to do by executive order outside of legsilative oversight. that is bs and even you should be able to admit that. CO2 isn't a pollutant but it is something they can tax for or use as a tool to control some industries.

[AndyGator]

I'm not a global warming alarmist. But their argument is that the world is slowly warming up, and with that comes greater temperature swings. So your argument does not disprove global warming.

[ChartsandGrafs]

That's the great thing about the anthropogenic global warming hoax. If it gets hot, it's because of global warming. If it gets cold, it's because of global warming. If it's calm, it's because of global warming. If there's a hurricane, it's because of global warming. If it snows in Cairo, it's because of global warming. Everything that happens with the weather is because of global warming.

They've got all their bases covered and the entire thing is self-sealing.

[wargunfan]

In terms of air pollution the United States is by far the cleanest, most pollution free highly populated country on earth. Cleaner than Switzerland, Sweden, Norway and New Zealand. When polluters like China, India, Egypt, Pakistan and ALL the oil producers of OPEC get their act together we will have a cleaner safer world and not until. We don't even have reliable emissions data for these countries but let's regulate the US into noncompetitivness anyway. Just dumb.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...-pollution-who

[MichaelJoeWilliamson]

Originally Posted by rpmGator

person to pollute more, when we already have more people, isn't the smart choice.

Wind has created some damn good jobs in this nation, while you fight for the coal mine jobs. The same coal miners you once hated, for being union. You guys can't even keep up with who you hate...

Actually, most people are not fighting for coal mine jobs. They are moving out west for natural gas jobs. And shale oil jobs. And pipeline jobs.

But if you are enamored with wind energy, by all means sign up. Your energy cost will increase by over 20% and your electrical service, if you rely solely on wind, will be extremely inconsistent. Some days the wind blows and some days it does not.

[rpmGator]

You might want to take time to look at wind, its costs, the fact is uses no water to create energy which has its own value in dry states, and how that only NG and coal, come close to its cost.

They are creating jobs in Orlando to teach Windmill mechanics safety mesures. Average pay is about 80 grand. There are over 2,500 windmill mechanic jobs in this nation and growing as wind installation is increasing at a rapid rate.

Your generalized political wind opinion, is not correct and it looks like you got your info directly from a competing energy industry.

We installed 12 Gigs of wind power in 2012. The broken Crystal River Nuke plant produced about 850MW of energy for comparison.

As you see, we have installed the equal of more than 12 nuke plants in energy in 2012 alone in wind power.

And on the wind not blowing, that is rare, not the rule. Wind is created by the sun hitting the earth. If it comes up, we most likely will have wind.

By the way, NG is up north and in our gulf, and just not out west.

[jimgata]

How many windmills and how much land area will it take to power a city of 50,000?

[Swampmaster]

the earth's climate changes over millions of years??? surely, you can't be serious.

[wargunfan]

Wind farms take some of the most beautiful land in the country and turn it into some of the ugliest. That being said, power plants are even uglier just more concentrated. Wind power will be a part of our energy solutions.