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chemgator · 01-17-2013, 07:09 PM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/50484431

This pretty much says it all abouth the lazy American worker of today. Not a good sign.

MastaG8r · 01-17-2013, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by chemgator

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/50484431

This pretty much says it all abouth the lazy American worker of today. Not a good sign.

lol - I'm not sure I know what to make of this story. American software developer gave his company's network passcode to a programmer in China who dutifully logged in and did all his work for him every day for a fraction of his salary, while the American just sat at his desk idly surfing the web. Ha! I guess the obvious concern is that his clever scheme may have compromised the cyber-security of his whole company, but other than that it's sort of funny.

I wouldn't call it laziness per se. Are you being lazy every time you pay the neighbor kid to mow your lawn instead of doing it yourself? For that matter, is the neighbor kid lazy if he sub-contracts the job to his younger brother for less money?

**Emmitto** · 01-17-2013, 07:33 PM

In many companies this guy would be called a "manager."

chemgator · 01-18-2013, 03:28 AM

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lol - I'm not sure I know what to make of this story. American software developer gave his company's network passcode to a programmer in China who dutifully logged in and did all his work for him every day for a fraction of his salary, while the American just sat at his desk idly surfing the web. Ha! I guess the obvious concern is that his clever scheme may have compromised the cyber-security of his whole company, but other than that it's sort of funny.

I wouldn't call it laziness per se. Are you being lazy every time you pay the neighbor kid to mow your lawn instead of doing it yourself? For that matter, is the neighbor kid lazy if he sub-contracts the job to his younger brother for less money?

It depends on whether you represent yourself as having done the work or not.

If the neighbor's kid's younger brother takes photos of your wife skinny-dipping in the pool while mowing the lawn (as a hypothetical), does your wife hit you in the head with a frying pan or a baseball bat?

MastaG8r · 01-18-2013, 11:03 AM

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It depends on whether you represent yourself as having done the work or not.

Well if I did that would make me dishonest, but not necessarily lazy. Sorry, I just don't think that "lazy" is the best word for figuring out an easier way of getting a job done, as long as it does get done. Although then again, they do call laziness "the mother of invention."

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If the neighbor's kid's younger brother takes photos of your wife skinny-dipping in the pool while mowing the lawn (as a hypothetical), does your wife hit you in the head with a frying pan or a baseball bat?

It depends. Did he Instagram the pics or just enjoy them for his own personal use?

HALLGATOR · 01-18-2013, 11:31 AM

Other than the already mentioned security violations I'm not sure if the guy was doing something wrong if his programming was some of the tops in the company.

**gatorman_07732** · 01-18-2013, 11:45 AM

I heard the story before and didn't think much about it other than it was funny. I don't think i has anything to do with being lazy, but it was unethical but also creative at the same time. I think the guy needs to start his own firm.

WESGATORS · 01-18-2013, 11:50 AM

What this shows is that the company is overpaying for the work they are requesting. This guy may end up costing others their job as the company will probably look to do more contracting with the Chinese company.

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**gatorman_07732** · 01-18-2013, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by WESGATORS

What this shows is that the company is overpaying for the work they are requesting. This guy may end up costing others their job as the company will probably look to do more contracting with the Chinese company.

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,WESGATORS

There aren't any secrets in the software world about cheap outsourcing. This does not show anything other than what everybody knew existed

WESGATORS · 01-18-2013, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by gatorman_07732

There aren't any secrets in the software world about cheap outsourcing. This does not show anything other than what everybody knew existed

Maybe it's something that that particular company had not considered before. Now they have a direct contact and can very easily expand the process. At a minimum, I'm sure it's being discussed as a viable option.

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**gatorman_07732** · 01-18-2013, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by WESGATORS

Maybe it's something that that particular company had not considered before. Now they have a direct contact and can very easily expand the process. At a minimum, I'm sure it's being discussed as a viable option.

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Anybody in the software business knows of cheap outsourcing. They may very well be doing some outsourcing themselves on certain projects, but I would highly doubt it's something they never though about. If they never did think about if then they are living in a rare bubble.

corpgator · 01-18-2013, 12:23 PM

They obviously aren't outsourcing for security reasons, so for him to do it himself, was a major no-no. Everyone who develops software knows that it can be done cheaper in other countries.

WESGATORS · 01-18-2013, 12:41 PM

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...they are living in a rare bubble.

Agreed, and this is evidenced by the fact that they would over pay somebody by a 6 figured amount to completely disregard any security principles they might have otherwise intended to keep in tact.

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**gatorman_07732** · 01-18-2013, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by WESGATORS

Agreed, and this is evidenced by the fact that they would over pay somebody by a 6 figured amount to completely disregard any security principles they might have otherwise intended to keep in tact.

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I'm not sure why you think six figures (if in fact that is what he was making) can be overpaying a Software Developer. It all depends on what their particular skills are in their portfolio. I've hired many in the area of $120K - $130K
Perhaps you a alluding to he was overpaid because of his character?

WESGATORS · 01-18-2013, 02:25 PM

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I'm not sure why you think six figures (if in fact that is what he was making) can be overpaying a Software Developer.

Another article I read on it mentioned that he was making over $200,000. Considering he was paying $50,000 for the work to be done, that's $150,000 of value-added that I'm not seeing.

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**gatorman_07732** · 01-18-2013, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by WESGATORS

Another article I read on it mentioned that he was making over $200,000. Considering he was paying $50,000 for the work to be done, that's $150,000 of value-added that I'm not seeing.

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If he was a consultant it's not unusual that he may have been getting a rate of $9/hr or so. If he was getting a salary of $200K+ which I find doubtful, then they are stupid.