Didn't the left make a big deal about this "lie"?

[DaveFla]

In fact, didn't it make one of river's "greatest lies of the 2012 presidential campaign"?

AUBURN HILLS, Mich. — Fiat and Chrysler Group have reached an agreement to expand passenger car manufacturing and sales in China, officials said Tuesday.

Under the agreement, Guangzhou Automobile Group Co. Ltd. will build one Jeep model in China for Chrysler for sale in China. A specific model was not announced.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/...china/1566380/

[MichiGator2002]

Sure did. I remember Jeeps being made in China being deemed one of the most blatant and scurrilous false claims made by Romney supporters.

"Sorry, was a bit honest? Terribly sorry" -- Drunk Giles, Buffy the Vampire Slayer

[g8orbill]

why would anyone be surprised

[DaveFla]

I knew it would only be a matter of time before this was proven true.

Where there's smoke...

[bluelang]

Maybe you should go back and read the thread. No one denied they were expanding - the original context is that they were eliminating USA jobs and replacing them with China jobs.

[rivergator]

Originally Posted by bluelang

Maybe you should go back and read the thread. No one denied they were expanding - the original context is that they were eliminating USA jobs and replacing them with China jobs.

Exactly. Romney said they were moving jobs from Ohio to China. That was false. And it's still false.

[DaveFla]

Originally Posted by bluelang

Maybe you should go back and read the thread. No one denied they were expanding - the original context is that they were eliminating USA jobs and replacing them with China jobs.

Link?

[ncbullgator]

Same context as when the liberal unions were claiming Boeing was eliminating jobs when locating a plant in SC was decided.

[rivergator]

Originally Posted by DaveFla

Link?

dave, you're the one who began the thread and you're asking for a link about what was said?

[DaveFla]

The actual OP:

Romney and Jeep
Anyone catch Romney earlier today saying that Jeep was planning on moving its way over to China? Well, hours later, Chrysler announced that it planned on doing no such thing, and if Romney had simply read what Jeep had said, he would have known that they were actually planning to "return Jeep output to China".

I have few problems with Romney, but my biggest and most worrisome issue is that he lies... And he lies a lot.

http://www.freep.com/article/2012102...to-China-gaffe


Read more: http://www.gatorcountry.com/swampgas...#ixzz2IC3eQ9B3

Care to try that again?

[DaveFla]

Originally Posted by rivergator

dave, you're the one who began the thread and you're asking for a link about what was said?

YOU claimed the other thread was implying something it wasn't (as shown above)

You made the claim. I was asking you to prove it was true. Of course, the need is no longer there. I did it for you.

[rivergator]

Originally Posted by DaveFla

YOU claimed the other thread was implying something it wasn't (as shown above)

You made the claim. I was asking you to prove it was true. Of course, the need is no longer there. I did it for you.

Mitt Romney falsely claimed in a recent speech that “Jeep, now owned by the Italians, is thinking of moving all production to China.” Chrysler says it is considering adding Jeep production sites in China to address rising demand in that market. But the company says it is “a leap that would be difficult even for professional circus acrobats” to suggest that it would close U.S. facilities and move all operations to China.

link

[Emmitto]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobile...n_2045988.html

Jeep announced they were reentering the Chinese market, which they suspended in 2009. That included building Jeeps in China.

Romney told a crowd in Ohio that Jeep (Fiat) was considering moving all production to China.

Jeep responded by reiterating that the resumed production in China wasn't displacing jobs in the US and that they in fact intend to add jobs here too.

Jeep appears to be resuming production in China, as announced. I don't know the status of the increased production/employment here.

A lawyer might get Romney off be cause of his "thinking about" qualifier. Of course there's no support for that claim either, and Jeep's announcement that he was referring to was quite clear. But his intent appears to be to make people believe Jeep would be shutting down all factories here and replacing that output with Chinese plants. That's probably a bad thing.

Verdict: innocent of lying by technicality, morally guilty of misleading people into fearing for their jobs.

[Emmitto]

Original Bloomberg story:

http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/201...nd-climbs.html

"Fiat SpA (F), majority owner of Chrysler Group LLC, plans to return Jeep output to China and may eventually make all of its models in that country, according to the head of both automakers’ operations in the region.

Chrysler currently builds all Jeep SUV models atplants in Michigan, Illinois and Ohio. Manley referred to adding Jeep production sites rather than shifting output from North America to China."

Report from The Hill on Romney's speech in Defiance, Ohio:

http://m.toledoblade.com/Politics/20...-to-China.html

“I saw a story today that one of the great manufacturers in this state, Jeep, now owned by the Italians, is thinking of moving all production to China,” Romney said in his Defiance speech. “I will fight for every good job in America, I’m going to fight to make sure trade is fair, and if it’s fair, America will win.”

[bluelang]

Dave's always good for a larf.

[rivergator]

Let me get this straight:
Dave is concerned that we called it a lie when Romney claimed that Chrysler was moving all its Jeep production to China. When as it turned out, Chrysler is not moving all its Jeep production to China.
Good job there, Dave.

[g8orbill]

actaully what Romney said was:


“I saw a story today that one of the great manufacturers in this state, Jeep, now owned by the Italians, is thinking of moving all production to China,” Romney said in his Defiance speech. “I will fight for every good job in America, I’m going to fight to make sure trade is fair, and if it’s fair, America will win.”


not sure how anyone can say he "lied", when all he did was reference something he read.

[mdgator05]

Originally Posted by g8orbill

actaully what Romney said was:


“I saw a story today that one of the great manufacturers in this state, Jeep, now owned by the Italians, is thinking of moving all production to China,” Romney said in his Defiance speech. “I will fight for every good job in America, I’m going to fight to make sure trade is fair, and if it’s fair, America will win.”


not sure how anyone can say he "lied", when all he did was reference something he read.

The right wing echo chamber in full force. "Someone said" or "I read somewhere" followed by something grossly untrue. Then you can always say, well somebody did say it. And people wonder where the multitude of false chain emails start.

[g8orbill]

md- if you read something and repeat it-and it turns out to be wrong it is a mistake but not a lie unless it was intentionally said to mislead-now you can come up with that conclusion in your own mind taht it was a lie but you cannot prove that conclusion

you, I and everybody else on this board probably read stuff everyday that we repeat- does that make us all liars

your 47%ers prez said he would never raise taxes on the middle class and then he did-was that a lie?

[llm85]

Originally Posted by bluelang

Dave's always good for a larf.

I fail to see the humor in moving jobs to China.