"Obama’s 23 Executive Actions on Gun Violence"

[gatorman_07732]

Originally Posted by Lawdog88

Do tell, that important reason that Doctors should be able to ask that question ?

^^^^^This please

[ChartsandGrafs]

Originally Posted by wgbgator

People have no capacity to resist or check perceived abuses of power, either in or outside the context of the state?

How do you propose that be done? Insurrection? Military coup? What?

How about officially? What institutional measures are in place to limit the use or scope of Executive Orders? What convinces you that they will work?

If the state's authority to govern rests on the people it governs, doesnt the now widely held notion that interning citizens based on their racial characteristics is repugnant prevent someone from doing this again?

You're missing a crucial step in the process. Public consent to measures that would otherwise be considered repugnant under normal circumstances can too easily be manufactured through the controlled media.

In other words, the people don't act in a vacuum, they act within a paradigm where almost all of their information is controlled and strategically fed to them by many of the same corporations that influence their government.

Or the popular belief that people should be able to own guns prevent the rounding up of guns? So, long story short, its us who limits the excercise of power.

How though? How do we limit the exercise of power?

[exiledgator]

Originally Posted by Lawdog88

Do tell, that important reason that Doctors should be able to ask that question ?

Not answering for river, but there could certainly be a benign reason for a pediatrician to ask this question: for the wellbeing of the child(ren). If the answer is yes, the pediatrician could hand the parents a pamphlet on gun safety related to kids, as they would for cigarrettes, or pets, or anything else that could represent potential harm to children.

Of course, he could also log the parents into the Illuminati's database.

One of the two.

[DeanMeadGator]

Originally Posted by philnotfil

Sure, but that doesn't keep him from nominating the person he think will do the best job.

Who in their right mind would accept a nomination as head of the ATF? If they accept, is it per se evidence that they are not fit to serve?

Whatever happened to the Fast and Furious investigation? Let me guess - it's a cover up.

[Lawdog88]

Originally Posted by exiledgator

Not answering for river, but there could certainly be a benign reason for a pediatrician to ask this question: for the wellbeing of the child(ren). If the answer is yes, the pediatrician could hand the parents a pamphlet on gun safety related to kids, as they would for cigarrettes, or pets, or anything else that could represent potential harm to children.

Of course, he could also log the parents into the Illuminati's database.

One of the two.

Or both.

I mean, let's give Doctors subpoena power and the right to cross-examine while we are at it, as well as the right and power to interject their opinions about how we should manage our children's and our own lives - into ours - based on whether they think we are responsible enough to do so.

Hey, here's some good health-related questions pediatricians could start asking (and reporting, if they think they should), even without any indices of relevancy to anyone's medical condition:

How much do you or your wife drink (alcohol), and how often ? Do you drive after drinking ? What is your tag number? Have you ever been convicted of a criminal offense ? Do you smoke marijuana or take other drugs, and if so, how often ? Have you ever been abusive to your wife ? How long do your children go without snacks ? Do you use corporal punishment ? If so, how often ?

What kind of firearms do you have in your house, and what types, and how many ? What do use them for ? Do your children have access to them ? How do you secure them ? Do you ever "expose" your children to them ? If so, how often ?

You know, just the kinds of innocuous little things that somebody, somewhere might like to know about you, just to make a notation in the files to keep up. That's all, nothing more.

[MichaelJoeWilliamson]

Originally Posted by wgbgator

Hmm, I don't see taking away all guns on there.

Hmm...I don't see anything there that will prevent another Sandy Hook.

[MichaelJoeWilliamson]

Originally Posted by philnotfil

Some of these I am a little surprised to see, like #9, we don't already do this? #11 made me roll my eyes a little, isn't that already something he is supposed to be doing?

Yep. A lot of these fall in the category of; DO YOUR JOB.

[DaveFla]

Originally Posted by gatorman_07732

I've been asked by our pediatrician if there were guns in our house

Me too.

[The_Graygator]

Originally Posted by wgbgator

Hmm, I don't see taking away all guns on there.

Didn't expect it to be in these exec. orders either, because Obama couldn;t just come out and say that to the entire country because he'd have come close to starting a civil war doing that.

Only a complete and clueless fool would would believe this is the end of this too. Obama is famous for his executive orders in the hush of the night and this won't stop with just SAR's and high-yield magazines either.

[DSRrg]

Isn't number 12 exactly what the NRA was talking about? Didn't they get crucified for saying it too?

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by wgbgator

I didnt see any additional hoops involved in obtaining a gun on the list. My guess is you won't even notice any of these measures. Only congress can create "more hoops."

Too bad the Füher will lead us in which way he feels he wants to go with his EO he don't need no stinking congress

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by rivergator

do you think he asked out of genuine concern for children, or did he have some insidious reason?

by the way, how did you answer and what was his response?

it shouldn't matter because the Dr. shouldn't be asking those questions because they're none of his F'n business.

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by rivergator

you don't think the reason is important?

nope, because I lock my weapons up and what I do in my life isn't any reason for the dr. to know a god damn thing. She should shut her damn mouth and heal not ask retarded questions

[Lawdog88]

Originally Posted by PIMking

it shouldn't matter because the Dr. shouldn't be asking those questions because they're none of his F'n business.

This is what I don't get, that people don't get.

Are we really just a bunch of wussies who continually throw our dignity under the bus, every chance we get ? Just learn how to say no, and mean it.

Sheeesh.

[DaveFla]

The doctor should have every right to ask the question.... Just as I should have every right to tell him/her "that's none of your damn business.

BTW, the same pediatrician asked if we had a dog.

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by DaveFla

The doctor should have every right to ask the question.... Just as I should have every right to tell him/her "that's none of your damn business.

BTW, the same pediatrician asked if we had a dog.

I would tell them that I have SS 18 mod 4 Nuclear ICBM and see what they ahd to say about that.

[philnotfil]

I haven't been asked about guns, but I have been asked about various cleaning supplies and reminded to use a child safety lock on the cabinet they were in. Should I be worried that our pediatrician is going to try to take away our cleaning supplies?

[exiledgator]

Originally Posted by DaveFla

The doctor should have every right to ask the question.... Just as I should have every right to tell him/her "that's none of your damn business.

BTW, the same pediatrician asked if we had a dog.

Exactly.

[exiledgator]

Originally Posted by philnotfil

I haven't been asked about guns, but I have been asked about various cleaning supplies and reminded to use a child safety lock on the cabinet they were in. Should I be worried that our pediatrician is going to try to take away our cleaning supplies?

No, but you will be reported to big-Chem and put on their watch list.

[wgbgator]

Originally Posted by MichaelJoeWilliamson

Hmm...I don't see anything there that will prevent another Sandy Hook.

Cool, so we've established that we can't and won't ban all guns or completely eliminate tragic shootings. But I already thought that had been established.