Liberalism and blacks

[g8orbill]

http://townhall.com/columnists/thoma...tm_campaign=nl

From the article:

Liberals try to show their concern for the poor by raising the level of minimum wage laws. Yet they show no interest in hard evidence that minimum wage laws create disastrous levels of unemployment among young blacks in this country, as such laws created high unemployment rates among young people in general in European countries.

The black family survived centuries of slavery and generations of Jim Crow, but it has disintegrated in the wake of the liberals' expansion of the welfare state. Most black children grew up in homes with two parents during all that time but most grow up with only one parent today.

Liberals have pushed affirmative action, supposedly for the benefit of blacks and other minorities. But two recent factual studies show that affirmative action in college admissions has led to black students with every qualification for success being artificially turned into failures by being mismatched with colleges for the sake of racial body count.

[108]

I don't see why black youth are being singled out here, nor do I understand why the writer thinks that increasing black youth employment outweighs the negative affects of reducing minimum wage of all people (white, black, young, old) who receive it, which isn't a livable wage as is, and would bring down the wages of all working people..

"Conservatives try to show their concern for the poor by decreasing the level of minimum wage laws. Yet they show no interest in hard evidence that lowerering minimum wage creates disastrous reduction of all wages"?

And FYI, millions of people do get paid lower the minimum wage under the table, and that money goes right back into the economy

[bluelang]

I think there has to be some kind of middle ground there. It really seems like we should be able to enable the able-bodied workforce without giving money away or lowering the standard too far.

Because the other side of the min wage coin is that eliminating MW creates a permanent class of working poor below the poverty line. That isn't much better than having them on welfare from the perspective of keeping crime down and enabling every American to contribute at the maximum of their potential.

[fredsanford]

This is typical right wing shift the blame stuff.

If the minimum wage goes up and hiring goes down, that's on the people hiring, not the job seekers. We could have full employment if we reinstituted slavery tomorrow.

[g8orbill]

I would not be in favor of eliminating min wage but in Florida for it to be tied to the CPI is pretty ree dik uh luss-when min wage goes up prices go up

shab is everything about race with you?

[fredsanford]

Originally Posted by g8orbill

I would not be in favor of eliminating min wage but in Florida for it to be tied to the CPI is pretty ree dik uh luss-when min wage goes up prices go up

shab is everything about race with you?

Says the guy who posted an article focusing on unemployment purely amongst blacks.

[g8orbill]

prove to me where this writer is wrong

[fredsanford]

Originally Posted by g8orbill

prove to me where this writer is wrong

The first paragraph talks about UE amongst blacks. If true, what he describes would increase UE amongst all young people. Why single blacks out?

His second paragraph talks about the 1-parent family problem in the black community. How this connects to liberalism I have no idea.

Finally, he talks about unattributed research (undoubtedly from Heritage or Cato) about the failings of Affirmative Action. Considering the source, I have no reason to believe his theory here.

[g8orbill]

you may have no reason to believe because you don't like the source but you have not proven anything he said to be wrong

[gatorman_07732]

Originally Posted by fredsanford

Says the guy who posted an article focusing on unemployment purely amongst blacks.

Legit topic, blacks are the hardest hit in unemployment demographics

[fredsanford]

Originally Posted by g8orbill

you may have no reason to believe because you don't like the source but you have not proven anything he said to be wrong

When I read a right wing article, it has to prove to me that it is right. So many have been debunked, I have no reason to give them any benefit of any doubt.

I'm still wondering when those 8 million jobs from the Bush tax cuts Heritage predicted are going to be created.

[JerseyGator01]

Liberals prefer op-ed pieces of 500 whole words to books.

[108]

Originally Posted by gatorman_07732

Legit topic, blacks are the hardest hit in unemployment demographics

there is a reason for that and it isn't because of the nations minimum wage laws being too high

[gatorman_07732]

Originally Posted by 108

there is a reason for that and it isn't because of the nations minimum wage laws being too high

What is it?

[g8orbill]

Originally Posted by 108

there is a reason for that and it isn't because of the nations minimum wage laws being too high

I can answer that 108-how they presented themselves for the interview is very important- we do not allow visible tatoos, we expect people when they come in for an interview to be neat and clean- if they have dirty fingernails-no job. if they have been convicted of a crime-no job. if they have rotten teeth-no job. if they have BO-no job. if they come in with their pants hanging off the end of their ass-no job-and I do not hire minors. If they have had more than 2 jobs in the last 6 months-no job

I look for pleasant smiling faces who like dealing with other people and who can carry on a conversation

race does not matter
male or female does not matter
sexual orientation does not matter
other than having to be 18-age does not matter

we do a detailed orientation of what is acceptable and what is not and what we expect of them
we spend a great deal of time on serving the customer
we spend a great deal of time on food safety- we give them a class on it and then they have to take a test to be safeserve qualified
we spend a great deal of time talking about the Firehouse culture
we thoroughly train them and do not throw them to the wolves
it would surprise you to know how many of my employees when they leave to work elsewhere still come back to visit- it might surprise you how many of them come to me for a recommendation


it must work as over half my staff has been with me over a year

young kids today in general have no idea how to fill out an application nor how to present themselves for an interview

[mocgator]

Originally Posted by g8orbill

http://townhall.com/columnists/thoma...tm_campaign=nl

From the article:

Liberals try to show their concern for the poor by raising the level of minimum wage laws. Yet they show no interest in hard evidence that minimum wage laws create disastrous levels of unemployment among young blacks in this country, as such laws created high unemployment rates among young people in general in European countries.

The black family survived centuries of slavery and generations of Jim Crow, but it has disintegrated in the wake of the liberals' expansion of the welfare state. Most black children grew up in homes with two parents during all that time but most grow up with only one parent today.

Liberals have pushed affirmative action, supposedly for the benefit of blacks and other minorities. But two recent factual studies show that affirmative action in college admissions has led to black students with every qualification for success being artificially turned into failures by being mismatched with colleges for the sake of racial body count.

100% about buying votes and being able to say "those mean Republicans are racists because they don't give you free stuff". Really as simple as that. The anti achievement mentality of the urban black American perpetuates it all.

[mocgator]

Originally Posted by fredsanford

This is typical right wing shift the blame stuff.

If the minimum wage goes up and hiring goes down, that's on the people hiring, not the job seekers. We could have full employment if we reinstituted slavery tomorrow.

Yes.... Those bad employers not wanting to go broke.... It's their fault. What a joke.

[mocgator]

Originally Posted by 108

there is a reason for that and it isn't because of the nations minimum wage laws being too high

Agreed. It's the anti achievement culture of urban black Americans. It's a disease with no cure.

[Dreamliner]

Liberalism is definitely good for blacks. It got a bro in the White House!

[fredsanford]

Originally Posted by mocgator

100% about buying votes and being able to say "those mean Republicans are racists because they don't give you free stuff". Really as simple as that. The anti achievement mentality of the urban black American perpetuates it all.

As long as your politicians keep talking that mess, they'll be as relevant as the Whigs.

Keep it up.